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Humanity Rising Day 139 After Chat
- Date: Monday November 16, 2020 (2020-mm-dd)
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Chat from Chat People Zoom from HR Day 139:
- 00:34:13 Stanley Pokras: Here's 2020_11_16
- 00:37:35 Kathryn Alexander, MA: My daughter has suffered trauma and has PTSD and IDD. Living with her is an education. I have to accept where she is and not expect anything different. We have been able to live well together this way. Is it healing? It gives her space, but she can only do what she can do. the key has been to accept what is.
- 00:39:39 David S: @ Kathryn. I have a similar situation. Acceptance and letting go of expectations (premeditated resentments)… David Stoney
- 00:40:22 David S: is the key
- 00:40:30 Kathryn Alexander, MA: WE NEED to pay more attention to how children are raised. Prevention is worth a punt of cure...
- 00:41:29 Shannon McArthur: Education is essential. transformation of same is required...
- 00:41:39 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Much of my daughters trauma comes from past life agreements - and to actually heal she will have to change those - that is her work, not much I can actually do but hold the space.
- 00:41:54 Kathryn Alexander, MA: pound of cure…LOL
- 00:44:23 David S: Thanks for sharing Daniel. It makes me happy to see you here. David Stoney
- 00:44:36 Daniel: Broken Open, Elizabeth Lesser
- 00:45:22 Daniel: I do this type of generational work as a shaman view
- 00:46:03 Daniel: @David S thanks
- 00:47:07 Shannon McArthur: Diana Claire is very effective, from what I hear. I have not had the pleasure /experience.
- 00:47:27 Daniel: @Bruce yes
- 00:47:54 Daniel: Exactly why I told one of my many stories
- 00:48:11 Daniel: meant to empower the Chat group
- 00:48:41 David S: Anyone who has broken open about the world situation right now has not been paying attention. Or is unconscious…. David Stoney
- 00:48:52 David S: not broken open
- 00:48:56 Julie Wolf: Gratitude Daniel!
- 00:50:36 Shannon McArthur: that’s how circles work… power works with us and through us
- 00:51:37 Kurt Krueger: The Hidden Life of Trees… great book. :)
- 00:51:55 David S: Collectively, we may be marshaling our spiritual strength for what’s to come… David Stoney
- 00:52:20 Kathryn Alexander, MA: @David - yes
- 00:52:42 David S: Cant talk … David
- 00:52:55 Kurt Krueger: Yes, collective. This we get to keep FOCUSED on the Light! For the grander collective is exposed to the Light… :)N
- 00:53:35 Leo Jacoby: tree metaphor - someone in our chats once noted that the roots communicate with each other.
- 00:54:55 Daniel: neither
- 00:55:30 Daniel: they out for cocktails and both sides make money
- 00:55:49 Daniel: laughing there way to the bank
- 00:56:37 Daniel: create a problem, solve it with your product
- 00:56:47 Daniel: specious
- 00:57:21 Daniel: the lens - failed paradigm
- 00:57:29 Daniel: we need better paradigms
- 00:57:38 Shannon McArthur: listen to your heart, and if it doesn’t resonate with love — choose differently.
- 00:57:41 Daniel: like honoring Gaia
- 00:57:49 Bruce Schuman: if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail
- 00:57:51 Shannon McArthur: yes, Daniel
- 00:58:25 Daniel: if you are a thief, and met Jesus or Buddha, you would be checking out their pockets for money
- 00:59:08 Bruce Schuman: but there is "universal truth" as well -- the truth of wholeness....
- 00:59:10 Leo Jacoby: When I allow "Trump" to occupy my mind I am complicit in dichotomizing reality. I am part of the schizophrenic collective seeking healing and wholeness.
- 00:59:26 Daniel: Trump is a cluster B
- 00:59:40 Daniel: Just say No, this is the language, I have studied and healed from this
- 00:59:51 Stanley Pokras: Bob Altimeter offers a useful perspective on what he calls authoritarian followers ihttps://theauthoritarians.org/
- 01:*00:00 Daniel: sheeples
- 01:*01:53 Daniel: when someone tells you their story, believe it, but don’t collude with it. Move them into a better paradigm.
- 01:02:12 Daniel: a route to heal trauam
- 01:02:28 Daniel: trauma
- 01:02:35 David S: From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)
Hi Majalehn, Isn’t it interesting that we’re all very concerned, though not about the same things. Lots of fear around these days. I take it that you’ve had personal problems with vaccinations or have friends who have. I’m sorry to hear that. A couple of things are certain, many vaccines are highly effective, e.g., polio,mumps, and have improved the lives of many people. And, if people won’t get vaccinated then the disease will increase and spread more. As for the election, what evidence do you have that there was fraud? - David Stoney
- 01:02:40 Daniel: I was triggered today also
- 01:03:20 Daniel: very triggered
- 01:03:32 Bruce Schuman: kumbaya PLUS reality ain't so bad....
- 01:03:59 Daniel: I also get triggered when experts are quoted, we are the people, let us be the authors of our own original stories
- 01:04:14 Julie Wolf: True Bruce.
I was very triggered and have pressing questions.
- 01:04:32 Lesley Southwick-Trask: @majalehn - we need to explore what happened to you in the chat
- 01:04:34 Daniel: This is why I told my non-kumbaya story today
- 01:06:03 Bruce Schuman: i am not anti-expert. i believe in democracy -- but when I am in airplane, i don't want the passengers to have an equal vote with the pilot
- 01:06:24 Shannon McArthur: yes, Bruce. I’m in the plane with you!
- 01:07:42 Shannon McArthur: boundaries are really important - as are connections… We need to find our feet and our heads and hands!!
- 01:08:23 Bruce Schuman: a democracy of love -- let's make that work
- 01:08:26 Daniel: not patriarchal, dominator society
- 01:08:39 Bruce Schuman: we can learn from the Lakota --
- 01:08:40 Daniel: its a non-gender issue
- 01:08:54 Bruce Schuman: And we can also learn from science
- 01:09:16 Shannon McArthur: we are learning from all we are exposed to, and part of…
- 01:09:27 Daniel: mandated vaccine scares me also
- 01:11:18 Daniel: normal humans, let us seek to become healthy humans
- 01:11:32 Shannon McArthur: YES!!
- 01:11:58 Shannon McArthur: Ordinary IS EXTRAORDINARY.
- 01:12:09 Shannon McArthur: THAT’S THE LESSON!!!
- 01:12:11 Daniel: we need to heal our personal traumas and move into collectiveness
- 01:13:01 David S: I haven’t heard a word about “mandated†vaccinations. Oh dear, am I on another planet?… David Stoney
- 01:13:16 Bruce Schuman: Personally -- i would rather understand than get pissed off
- 01:13:40 Daniel: the lessons keep getting more severe, the two by four smack on the back of the head, may not be enough
- 01:13:47 marciaraffstudio: Yes, Mushin, no more wars!!!!
- 01:14:07 Julie Wolf: David - its fear provoking also isnt it? I decide to stay savoriegn and not be forced and have no fear.
- 01:14:17 Kurt Krueger: Two sources for the extreme value Indigenous wisdom and power of the Feminine side. I’ve listened to SACRED INSTRUCTIONS by Sherri Mitchell three times. THE ABSOLUTE BEST BOOK ON BLENDING INDIGENOUS WISDOM FOR LIVING THE LIFE WE WERE ALL MEANT TO LEAD - one of compassion and peace. Using Science, Regenerative agriculture, Feminine/Masculine, Spirituality, and Societal change...
Again, the image on the attachment is all about the real Ordinary human. :) ANOTHER connector with nature is The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an indigenous elder, Anita Sanchez - former panelist on Humanity Rising.
- 01:14:33 marciaraffstudio: yes, I just read that, too.
- 01:14:40 marciaraffstudio: discouraging
- 01:14:43 David S: Thanks, Julie… David
- 01:14:59 marciaraffstudio: when it’s our country breaking treaties
- 01:15:38 Bruce Schuman: i am a Vietnam-era trooper too -- in my own way, carrying my wounds in the same way --
- 01:15:54 Daniel: did you say “barack-cracyâ€
- 01:16:48 Bruce Schuman: so what are you doing about it, Mushin - beside being outraged?
- 01:17:02 David S: @ Julie, wow, this is hell of a planet to achieve sovereignty on isn’t it!? David
- 01:17:31 Bruce Schuman: I went to Arlington when I was 15 -- one of the most sacred experiences of my life
- 01:17:34 Kurt Krueger: We get to create a Department of PEACE.
- 01:18:04 Julie Wolf: Yes David
- 01:18:14 Julie Wolf: Yes Kurt
- 01:19:48 Suzanne Marie: Mandated vaccines and censoring of information contrary to Fauci and CDC is one reason why some turned to Trump. Out of fear and angry that others cannot be heard.
- 01:19:52 Bruce Schuman: we got 350 million people in this country -- and we are all running on overload....
- 01:22:01 Bruce Schuman: i hear a lot of noble truth on "mainstream media"
- 01:22:55 Bruce Schuman: there are many very good people in our media -- i trust them and love them
- 01:23:01 Daniel: Dr Northrup’s new book, talks about energy vampires, Cluster B, like Uncle Donald. And mirrors my language, Uncle Donald needs to be worked out of the White House
- 01:23:14 Daniel: dodging energy vampires.
- 01:23:38 Daniel: She has her own paradigm of the world
- 01:23:49 Bruce Schuman: vaccines can be very controversial -- i have good friends, holistic healers, with very strong feelings....
- 01:23:51 Daniel: I think i could have written a better book
- 01:23:52 Shannon McArthur: we all do, Daniel
- 01:26:02 Shannon McArthur: could it have been an internet issue?
- 01:26:18 Shannon McArthur: thank you for asking the question, Lesley
- 01:26:24 Daniel: I believe it was a human, most likely
- 01:26:27 David S: I’ve tried to contact Majalehn via Chat and she may not be able to see my messages… David
- 01:26:37 Shannon McArthur: most likely isn’t good enough, atm
- 01:27:05 Daniel: I have friends who are vaccines experts
- 01:27:24 Shannon McArthur: my boundaries are important to me - vaccinations intrude where they are not welcome
- 01:27:43 Daniel: they are generally not anti-vexers, more likely “we don’t have data, lets looks at the dataâ€
- 01:27:56 David S: Please, someone, please tell me who said that there would be mandated vaccinations?… David
- 01:28:00 Bruce Schuman: oversimplication -- yes
- 01:28:29 Daniel: and the adjuvants, can be very dangerous
- 01:28:52 Daniel: and the Corona virus has rapidly evolved. Vaccinations is big business
- 01:29:24 David S: God speed, health, and wholeness for all. I’ve got to go…. David
- 01:29:34 Daniel: there are a lot of scientific articles that are scary
- 01:29:36 Shannon McArthur: thank you David for being with us!
- 01:29:46 Daniel: I am a medical doctor, I may be mandated to use, or not workl
- 01:30:30 Daniel: like the influenza vaccine, no immunization no work. and there is data that if you give the influenza vaccine, you are more susceptible to Covid
- 01:32:30 Kurt Krueger: I started composing this to Jim Garrison. How about spending a week on creating a Department of PEACE. What would it be composed of? How to deal with violence prior to, during and after?
Character Education ~ Diane Tillman, LivingValues Education program/Parenting Non-Violent Communications
After:
Truth & Reconciliation Commissions, forgiving the Unforgivable ! Anita Snachez
Methods to release PTSD ~ like Tapping ~ Ulf Sandstrom?
Etc.
- 01:32:40 Leo Jacoby: @Daniel provide the title and author in chat
- 01:32:41 Daniel: also Clarissa Pinkola Estes writes well
- 01:32:53 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Maybe no one is totally right???
- 01:33:04 Daniel: Dodging Energy Vampires, Christian Northrup, MD
- 01:33:47 Mushin: My computer has 4% left in the battery and will loose you in few minute. Bruce I am reading your closed interval loop ontology. Thanks for hearing my broken heart as an American Veteran. Kurt I take action every moment and living the dream with the Lakota. Bless each of you. see u tomorrow.
- 01:34:16 Shannon McArthur: Love you SO much, Mushin!
- 01:34:26 Daniel: MUUUUU SHINNNNNN
- 01:34:33 Julie Wolf: Love to you Mushin
- 01:34:52 Daniel: The Joyous Body, Clarissa Pinkola Eastes
- 01:35:07 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Much peace Mushin
- 01:35:10 Amy McKenzie: Creating a Department of Peace was the platform Marianne Williamson ran in fire get campaign. I think she'd be open to speaking.
- 01:36:08 Amy McKenzie: Brilliant Lesley, yes!
- 01:36:52 Daniel: Jim pushes a left agenda, which is appealing, but separation, we need collective
- 01:37:42 Shannon McArthur: yes, daniel
- 01:37:42 Daniel: I loved the Netflix, “The Social Dilemaâ€
- 01:37:47 Kurt Krueger: Daniel TES
- 01:37:52 Kurt Krueger: YES
- 01:37:58 Daniel: tes and yues
- 01:38:35 Julie Wolf: Shelly said in HR that we are going down a 'Danergous' path. That Triggered me. I was not supported by other views that would have allowd me to stay Cohearant
- 01:38:49 Julie Wolf: thats for Mahalehn
- 01:39:08 Leo Jacoby: Seeking in my religious tradition a spiritual, rather than political, framework for civil discourse and social media consumption last week I found relevant the article at: https://medium.com/@dcnajork/pope-francis-gossip-and-the-long-history-of-the-sins-of-the-tongue-9f00113eb85e . I realized I could be participating in rumor and gossip when I uncritically pass on reports I read or hear from online sources. I must consider if any source I choose to access may be "an occasion of sin" for me. The way I do civil discourse (or any communication) has a spiritual dimension, danger as well as opportunity to build relationships.
- 01:39:41 Daniel: the fear on the left = the fear on the right
- 01:40:03 Leo Jacoby: `@ Daniel yes
- 01:40:30 Daniel: trump is a dominator
- 01:40:39 Bruce Schuman: Barbara Max Hubbard -- "SynCon" -- http://sharedpurpose.net/home/index.cfm?tq=579411
- 01:40:52 Bruce Schuman: Holistic town hall
- 01:41:03 Daniel: there is a big difference between truth and real
- 01:41:09 Daniel: real is a personal reality
- 01:41:26 Daniel: the truth, hmmmmm, polarity, non-dual,
- 01:41:51 Bruce Schuman: Daniel -- "real is my immediate local experience" ?
- 01:42:37 Daniel: @Bruce yes. We are capable of upgrading our realities, and our realities affect otherrs
- 01:43:23 Bruce Schuman: a local point of view -- is empirically valid -- but may lack big-picture context....
- 01:43:54 Daniel: @Bruce, yes, internally consistent.
- 01:44:15 Daniel: Because our minds seeking another through Limbic resonance, because our physiologic rhythms answer to the call of Limbic regulation, because we change one another's brains through Limbic revision - what we do inside relationships matters more than any aspect of human life.
From General Theory of Love
- 01:44:30 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Internally consistent is important - but it depends upon where you start.
- 01:44:45 Daniel: @Kathryn yes
- 01:44:55 Daniel: ask the mountain flower, what a beautify metaphor
- 01:46:03 Daniel: bias is inherent in your dualistic world, make bias your ally
- 01:48:16 Daniel: when you get flooded, you have options, choose well
- 01:48:21 Shannon McArthur: bias is part of the experience of being a separate human being. important to the process of learning how to allow the differences to exist while honouring self and others
- 01:49:35 Daniel: jump the U, or we can W, double U
- 01:49:45 Shannon McArthur: ooo Daniel!!
- 01:50:04 Kurt Krueger: Dan, you always rock it. :)
- 01:50:20 Shannon McArthur: that sounds like trusting that the lily pad will be there when we step off our “expected†path
- 01:51:07 Shannon McArthur: live in the mystery - allow it to create the foundation of our shared reality
- 01:51:30 Daniel: if you are flooded, it is sweet to have attuned humans who can assist. Flooded people can be caught in freeze or paralysis. Needs consciousness and awareness of others
- 01:51:47 Bruce Schuman: ok, gang, it's been good. gotta get some stuff done... :)
- 01:51:51 Daniel: @Kurt awe geee thanbks
- 01:52:05 Shannon McArthur: Walk in beauty, Bruce!! You do...
- 01:52:07 Kurt Krueger: CU Brice
- 01:52:19 Daniel: adios Bruce
- 01:52:54 Leo Jacoby: @Kathryn key of discernment
- 01:55:12 Daniel: commitment to self - embodiment
- 01:55:27 Daniel: focused unconditional presence is healing
- 01:55:38 Daniel: Teal Swanism
- 01:56:53 Kurt Krueger: Dan, the author?
- 01:57:00 Kurt Krueger: Teal
- 01:57:17 Daniel: beauty, joy and truth
- 01:57:44 Daniel: Teal Swan - The Completion Process
- 01:58:21 Daniel: we did not hear about Stan’s experiment
- 01:58:35 Julie Wolf: I hope that a few who feel it stay for a few minutes. For healing
- 01:58:37 Kurt Krueger: STAN?
- 01:59:52 Amy McKenzie: That was beautiful Lesley!