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Humanity Rising Day 141 Chat Page

Date: Wednesday November 18, 2020(2020-11-18)
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Text of the Zoom Chat from HR Day 141:

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (11:01 ) Happy Wednesday Everyone!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 ) Good morning, Jim and All… lovely morning here in Kamloops BC Canada. You are invited to change the To in this chat to include Attendees so we can see what you say… have a good day!

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 ) Good Morning From: the sunny woods of North Carolina.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 ) Good Morning From: dark and rainy Seattle. So wonderful to start the day with you all.

From: Peter Merry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02 ) Hi everyone, remember to select All panelists and attendees if you want everyone to read your chat.

From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03 ) Good morning From: Minnesota!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03 ) Kate, I’m in Mpls. Where are you?

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04 ) Ahhh Mpls. my hometown! I’m in Marin County North of San Francisco 🌞

From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06 ) Hi Amy! I am in Elk River : )

From: Beverly Sullivan to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06 ) “When nothing is certain, everything is possible.”

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07 ) Beverly YES!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07 ) I am humbled by the goodness that I encounter each day.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08 ) @Beverly yes indeed!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08 ) Good calls to good!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08 ) Thank you Jim. Wow. yes…

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:09 ) Welcome Sabinije, this is the spirit lifter.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 ) Yes!!!! Thank you.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 ) Yay, Peter & Malcolm! Welcome!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15 ) @Kate, let’s connect later at amyblumenshine@mac.com Cheryl is also nearby

From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 ) Malcolm, so lovely to see you. Excited to hear your wisdom.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 ) Oh, Dear Malcolm, deepest sympathy 💐

From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 ) @Amy Great! Will do.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 ) I heard about the self inflicted death of my oldest son at Eselan. Yup a long journey but it has become a wonderful story of completion and it opened my heart.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21 ) @Kathryn Blessings on your journey & thank you for your wisdom❤️

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21 ) Mary Magdalene is a mystic guide for those that follow that path

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22 ) Yes, we ALL need to think out of the box to survive

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22 ) _/\_ It had to be - it completed 4,500 years of pain and anger. Well worth it, sad it had to happen.

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23 ) it reminds me of the quote: change is inevitable, growth is optional

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23 ) So true, our pain can feed the new Consciousness

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23 ) Yes, Malcolm. And there is light at the end of the tunnel. A lifetime of pain.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24 ) Yes Peter we will need to go through that pain

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24 ) as children do… and they/we learn…

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 ) I think that is much of the anger people are expressing is our anger at ourselves for doing what we’ve done. It is easier to be angry at others than to accept responsibility.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 ) yes, Kathryn

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 ) Peter, Yes.

From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) Connect to nature is the msg of the indigenous people for human survival

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) Yes what we have to awaken to what has happened on this planet

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) Compounded grief.

From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) Thanks Malcolm in tears, and very moved by your vulnerability. Our hearts melt and shatter, grow and transform. We need to care deeply.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 ) it is a daily Practice.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 ) Getting beyond the current trauma will have to manifest certain people who act as Imaginal cells. These people will learn to foster helpfulness among people.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 ) My lesson was to apologize - to own my actions and to say - to my son - I’m sorry. It took me 4,500 years to do that. My hope is that we, as humanity, can do that - each of us individually - to nature. We have to apologize and then do better!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 ) Yes, Peter. Exactly. Grieving is a natural process.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) @Stanley - yes!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) We love you, Malcolm. You are held here in love and gratitude...

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) HR has been part of mine.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) It is awakening and cleansing our part

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 ) Would you mind sharing some of those practices?

From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 ) Yes! That is my work, how we can not blame, even when we are hurting.

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 ) Is there a "cosmic source of guidance" that can act as a collective polestar -- such as the paradigm of "oneness" or "wholeness" -- that could lead the collective towards healing....(?)

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 ) @Bruce - yes - inside…

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 ) @Kathryn - can it be shared (?)

From: Hilde Paz to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 ) Much easier to express anger and rage, rather than feeling vulnerable.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32 ) @Bruce, it is - though mostly not known or seen

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32 ) I think we can share our experience, but everyone walks their path alone..

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32 ) Malcolm, so touching to hear your story, thank you

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32 ) That may be ending, @Kathryn… idk

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33 ) Yes…Peter we have to own what is surfacing within moment to moment judgments of others

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) Early 90's I learned how to grieve. And have been widening the circles.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) The inner and outer rhythm is a key to connection, I think...

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) Very wise Malcolm...grief is in the throat(in the Polarity Therapy model I work)...Letting out the sound & tears cleanses the holding pattern! Letting GO!

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) I held on to anger for many decades after mother was killed in an automobile wreck when I was 10. It nearly killed me. I’ve worked hard at letting it go and being open to the pain and grief of her loss. Forgiveness has been very important… David Stoney

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 ) Sometimes the cushion is a phase to enter the into the grief

From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 ) Malcolm you were present in 1984 when I silently committed to not blame the terrorist who killed my Dad, instead bring love and compassion. Still on that journey!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 ) Yes, Joanna. It is a choice.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 ) Yes, set it up for the Evolutionary process

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35 ) The next stage of evolution... We're seeing the dawning of the Age of Helpfulness.

From: Ken Haldenstein to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36 ) I appreciate all of the personal sharing here. I experienced major depression for many years in the late ‘80s and part of the ‘90s, and have been in treatment since then. So I can relate to some of the themes here.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 ) It all unfolds magically.

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 ) @Bruce and @Kathryn My experience of losing my husband was completely different than with my mother. I believe each journey is extremely personal and unique. I embraced the grief immediately with my mum. It took me 2 years before I began my grief journey in terms of my husband.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 ) @Shannon - bearing witness - we are entering the stage to make that happen for others. for Turmps believers, for…..

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 ) yes…

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38 ) We are both the witness and the embedded participant.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 ) MOM is not always gentle with the guidance we need.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 ) @Lesley, yes each relationship is unique. There is no ‘one’ way, no ‘rule’ or steps to follow, just trust and engaging - keep on keeping on. Resonate - what a wonderful word and place.

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 ) Great question Peter.

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 ) “Forgiveness is the answer, the divine answer, to the question implied in our existence. An answer is answer only for him who has asked, who is aware of the question.” (Paul Tillich) … David Stoney

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 ) @David - very wise and wonderful

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 ) Follow our intuition

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 ) @Kathryn yes :)

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 ) listen deeply…

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41 ) intuition = MOM’s whispers

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42 ) Daily practice...follow your intuition...trust...follow

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42 ) Yes - I see emotion as information - it tells me how important something is to me and that’s is interesting and worth paying attention to.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43 ) It is a very creative process.

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 ) Yes Peter lesson is not to ASSUME that because you have been able to follow the intuitive once it will always work in the same way

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 ) It’s not about the steps, it’s about taking them - that’s where authenticity resides.

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 ) beautiful Peter

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 ) @Kathryn, thanks, David

From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) Just as there is not one healing method for all, we all need to take responsibility

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) Tolle DOES hesitate… and allows the right things to say arise in the moment…

From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) to find our own Way

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) @Peg - YES!

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) Thank you Malcolm ... was angry when my brother passed 2 years ago and only recently really started grieving and realizing anger was a way not to feel the grief and regret. And yes, Kathryn, emotions is information or language of the soul

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) A hard thing to do.

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 ) beginners mind…

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 ) the energy of life behind the world is what creates the magic the words

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 ) @Anne-Marie beautiful!

From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 ) Yes, difficult, yet all the more fulfilling in each of our journeys…and ultimately healing for all

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 ) That’s US!!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 ) YAY

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 ) yes!

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 ) Intuition is the most important for connecting to the antidotes for what ails us! ASK for clarity!

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 ) HR is an amazing Sangha

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49 ) that makes my heart sing Peter!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 ) Sanger... the daily existence of HR is creating a sense of trust.. and the consistent message is doing wonders for all of us who are coming here each day.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 ) a safe space to put voice to the pain. Others holding a space of Deep Listening. @shannon

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 ) @Anne-Marie ...yes, right on

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50 ) Just in time!

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 ) @Stanley, yes sangha it is that brings us together and showing up every day.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 ) we’re doing it!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51 ) Oneness

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52 ) it is the joining of the many into sanghas and then them together and and and… One!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 ) OtherNetwors.org is one of the platforms that Peter is talking about. And each these platforms are attempting to collect and coordinate the others in a network of networks.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 ) the irritation is important !! so is grief and the letting go of anger...

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54 ) @Peter Trust is felt. All flows.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 ) One expression of the connections is going to happen tomorrow at the conversation.cc and is being called the press conference... Does someone have the URL for tomorrow's press conference?

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 ) Yes, Vulnerability is a Strength

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 ) Inspired and supportive of each other....so important....and full authenticity.

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 ) Yes, Peter ... through this lockdown many platforms have popped up and connecting through breakout groups and like the after-chat in not just getting support but allowing imaginable cells emerge

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 ) @Suzanne, beautiful said

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 ) Here it is... it's happening tomorrow: https://thepressconference.org/

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 ) The Zoom link for the press conference, all day From: 9 am PST to 5: https://zoom.us/j/595172819

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 ) thank you!!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 ) Thank you, Kathryn.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 ) @Suzanne - yes - that IS how the imaginal cells are showing up - brilliant!

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 ) Without abrasion no shine…!

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Like a hammer blow, I’ve been struck with the realization that the Source (Oneness) and Mother Earth have provided us with a planetary emergency (the pandemic) that, if we so choose, can break us open to be able to see a path forward different From: the suicide mission we’re currently on. Which is what Humanity Rising is all about, of course. Please forgive my slowness. Sometimes even my uncanny grasp of the obvious lets me down… David Stoney

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Beautiful Peter

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Beautiful David. ;)

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

@David Beautiful realization

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

When you care about the essence of the other ...when you care about the heart of others. It takes courage .

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

@David oxoxoxox

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

It is so much easier to just do it!

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

Thank you Malcolm for that piece of realization

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

I am enjoying this conversation soooo much. Aren’t we blessed?

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

yes!!

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

Doshin Nelson added ‘screw up’ to wake up, clean up, grow up and show up…

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Annelies - LOL

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

@ Annelies - nice!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

profound yes, thank you Peter

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@Peter Yes.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@Malcom - YES, so sweet!

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

Malcom, thank you for those words

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@Malcom Thank you.

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

Humility is imortant piece to releasing Judgement.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

Peter's referencing Ashby's law...

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

It is exciting!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

yahoo!

From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

Mary Oliver!

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

@Peg - yes!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

@ Malcolm YES!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

oh my

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

Beautiful Quote!

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

THANK YOU for That Malcolm....full heart.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

WE are death phobic, but that’s almost all we create - what you pay attention to grows…

From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

Our own mortality; a collective denial of our universal terminal diagnosis- Facing it can be liberating (hint: it doesn't exist)

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

that might be one of the teachings of covid… letting come death close by

From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

A beautiful resource is this past Science and Nonduality conference - virtual - on Dying and Living - recordings still available

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

nice Annelies

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Thank you kala

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

yes David!

From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Yes Malcolm, we truly know how to live when we honor and embrace death, thank you

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Common Practice & Hello (the game) Jump to navigation Jump to search   https://commonpractice.com/  Hello is a conversationgame.   It's the easy, non-threatening way to start a conversationwith your family and friends about what matters most to you.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Layer by Layer. deeper and deeper. like a Life review.

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Yes Malcolm that is when the suffering becomes a gift, Although it doesn't always feel that way.

From: Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

Not that I believe this, but it is interesting to think about..a practitioner of mine had COVID-19 back in February—she tested for antibodies later—she was working with a healer the other day who told her people get COVID-19 who are afraid of dying

From: Hilde Paz to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

Nice words, but difficult to practice.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

@Malcolm. Thank you.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

Start a conversation with Hello  Hello is a conversation game. It's the safe, easy, and fun way to talk about living and dying and what matters most. https://commonpractice.com/

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

@Malcolm. Thank you. Bless you! Your sharing helps healing…

From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Atul Gawande on Life and the dying process is very beautiful : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mviU9OeufA0

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

@Peter Beautiful.

From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Thank you!

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Thank you Malcom and Peter <3

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Peter and Malcom you two are phenomenal

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

thank you Peter!

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

LOVED this session and very grateful to you both.

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Thank you Peter and Malcolm!

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Thank You 🙏

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Wonderful conversation!! Truly a model of being real.

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Thank you Peter and Malcom🙏

From: Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Yeah so great to hear someone say I’m not an intellectual...there are so many other types

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Connecting over our shared humanity

From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

So true, Jim!

From: Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

what is the name of the Mary Oliver poem?

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

Wild Geese, I think

From: Diane Sue to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

“This is the true joy in life, being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one. Being a force of nature instead of a feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy. I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community and as long as I live, it is my privilege to do for it what I can. I want to be thoroughly used up when I die, for the harder I work, the more I live. I rejoice in life for its own sake. Life is no brief candle to me. It is a sort of splendid torch which I have got hold of for the moment and I want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations.”

― George Bernard Shaw

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

@Lesley - The Summer Day I think

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Good for Google.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Summer Day is the book, Wild Geese is the poem

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

@jim Thank you for these words at this time.

From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Heartfelt thank you, metta to you Malcom and Peter! And yes Jim!

From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

Awesome!

From: Diane Sue to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Thank you for an another powerful discussion and for sharing your wisdom.

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Marvelous wisdom all around today. Thanks Peter, Malcolm, Jim and everyone… Health and wholeness…. David Stoney

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Thank you so much for this quote.

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Also, Daniel Ellsberg is married to the sister of Barbara Marx Hubbard.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

. ..oOo.. Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session closes. We encourage presenters, community people From: around the world to participate. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Music to my Heart. @ jim

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

wow, Clare! Really!?

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Thanks so much Malcolm for sharing your wisdom and HEART.

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-I honor you all this wonderful Wednesday
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:02 AM)
-Bless you all on another beautiful day - what a Gift!!  please change To to include attendees so we see what you say! We are curious by Nature!!
-sharon to Panelists and Attendees (11:02 AM)
-Good morning from Seattle.  Good to be here now.
-Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees (11:02 AM)
-Good Morning from the woods of North Carolina…Thankful for all of you!
-Mike Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees (11:03 AM)
-Good morning from Iola!
-Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees (11:03 AM)
-Good morning from White Rock BC...stuff of my soul
-sharon to Panelists and Attendees (11:05 AM)
-Thank you for the glorious unifying moment..
-@Jim Something to look forward to in 2021 .
-Paul Coleman to Panelists and Attendees (11:11 AM)
-I went all my life,  never using pythagarus theorem, until this month, when I discovered I could use it to ensure the building I am now constructing is square.
-sharon to Panelists and Attendees (11:12 AM)
-Welcome Joseph
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:12 AM)
-There are no accidents, Paul… how lovely to have it come to your awareness so synchronistically.
-Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees (11:13 AM)
-Welcome Joseph!
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:19 AM)
-red or blue pill?
-Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees (11:19 AM)
-:)
-david Beatty to Panelists and Attendees (11:21 AM)
-Daniel.. take ém both. !
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:24 AM)
-@david  haha
-I am thinking the 5th point, to enter the 4D world (thinking time)
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:25 AM)
-yes, Daniel!
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (11:25 AM)
-Chestahedron? http://frankchester.com/chestahedron-geometry/#:~:text=The%20chestahedron%20is%20a%20unique,with%20faces%20of%20equal%20area.
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:25 AM)
-what about the inverse structure models  which is the empty spaces within these models.
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:26 AM)
-brilliant @malini
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:26 AM)
-The Icosahedron is also the scalable representation of the Fibonacci series.
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:26 AM)
-Yes you are Joe
-you are a mathematician Joe
-@shannon thanks
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:29 AM)
-That's because the scales need to look at the torus.What about the torus which is the fundamental of all designs in the universe. at least the flow of energy is along the toriodal meridians.
-Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees (11:29 AM)
-Like moving from self to community . . .
-Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees (11:29 AM)
-Daniel, please, for Malini’s sake, use # instead of the AT symbol.
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:29 AM)
-thanks #kurt
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:30 AM)
-everyone, please do not use the AT symbol unless in an email… our Data Goddess appreciates it!!
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:30 AM)
-The inconsistencies can be shown as non platonic solids.
-Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees (11:30 AM)
-The biological cell is the event horizon between the largest and smallest ….we ARE the centre of our personal universe!  Nassim Harramein
-Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees (11:30 AM)
-Yesterday’s diamond!
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:31 AM)
-absolutely agree with you joe.
-Stephan Verveen to Panelists and Attendees (11:31 AM)
-#Crystal what’s in a name? :)
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:31 AM)
-Two intersecting tetrahedrons forms the star tetrahedron which is the Merkeba the energy vehicle the body uses to travel.
-Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
-This is the link to the course on Great Lives:  https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/courses/great-lives-2021/
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
-Always in the golden ratio,
-Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
-It’s offered by Ubiquity once a month as a graduate seminar
-Mushin Patric Roberts to Panelists and Attendees (11:32 AM)
-Here is a video “The View from the Center of the Universe” by Professor Joel Primack  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Bb4sMMn18
-Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees (11:33 AM)
-Each neuron in the 100 trillon cellular system has 100,000 potential connections....each one of those 100,000 connections have 85 billion wormholes into other dimensional realities.  Dr William Brown Resonance Academy
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:38 AM)
-pinwheel of (co-)creation
-Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees (11:39 AM)
-I hope Bruce is here - this sounds like something he would enjoy.
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:39 AM)
-metatrons cube
-nina kruschwitz to Panelists and Attendees (11:44 AM)
-Malini, what is Metatron’s cube?
-Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees (11:46 AM)
-@Nina Metatron's Cube is a symbol that's meant to represent the journey of energy throughout the universe, and of balance within the universe. It is made up of all the Platonic Solids, but it also has thirteen circles in it to represent the thirteen archangels (with Metatron's circle at the center).
-Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees (11:46 AM)
-Deeper metaphors = archetypes?
-david Beatty to Panelists and Attendees (11:46 AM)
-The reverberations in this presentation are fantastic. keep them coming!
-Bucky called it:  the circus of all circuses.  : )
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:52 AM)
-WOW!!!!
-David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (11:53 AM)
-#Maureen, Actually, in the central nervous system neurons are organized into functional networks, e.g. somatic sensation, somatic motor, smell, taste, sight, etc.  Within these networks each neuron may have 100s, 1,000s, maybe several 1,000s connections to other neurons, but not 100,000s of connections.  When neurons make connections outside of their functional systems there is a mixing of information called synesthesia, e.g., a particular sound will also be perceived as a color.  Having a nervous system where every neuron connects to every other neuron would not be very useful for embodied human consciousness and perception….  David Stoney
-david Beatty to Panelists and Attendees (11:53 AM)
-Many of us have related insights.. what question would you like to ask to connect your sense of you in the Universe, that you would like Joe to respond to?
-Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees (11:53 AM)
-Yes thank you David...true.
-Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (11:54 AM)
-SLIDE
-The difference that makes a difference is information.
-Information is in-formed structure.
-Structure is in-formed energy and matter. It must abide by all of nature's 'laws'. It is precision itself.
-Differences and similarities is what in-forms structure.
-Our world is built on broken symmetries. The difference that makes a difference.
-Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (11:54 AM)
-SLIDE
-That starting from first principles of structure we can comprehend the deepest, most interesting questions of
-life.
-That we can understand what science is about in terms that are meaningful to us, without a lifetime of study of
-mathematics.
-That we live in a frame of multiple dimensions that always exhibit themselves in our 3 spatial and 1 time dimension. 4
-dimensional spacetime.
-That a shift in mind, body and spirit is emerging in global consciousness and we embody the temple.
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:54 AM)
-The  balance is when the evolution and involution take place at the same time.
-Rieta Aliredjo to Panelists and Attendees (11:54 AM)
-Thank you so much Joe!
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:55 AM)
-can we see the last diagram again please.
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:57 AM)
-Is there a place where time and space do not exist.
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (11:58 AM)
-What is it, Joe, that is emerging through us? What will manifest with the next order of magnitude?  From point to line to plane to enclosed space to space/time… to what?
-Jane to Panelists and Attendees (11:58 AM)
-Thanks for that question Malini
-Daniel Rieders to Panelists and Attendees (11:58 AM)
-#Malini  definitely, I’ll meet you there
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (11:59 AM)
-What do you anticipate, or will there be,  an end to time/space?
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (11:59 AM)
-What about wormholes.
-David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:00 PM)
-Joe seems to have described Source consciousness - no space, no time, all information…. David Stoney
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (12:00 PM)
-How might we Xplain those no time moments when we are in the flow?
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (12:01 PM)
-Agree gravity ensures structural integrity in the third dimension.
-nina kruschwitz to Panelists and Attendees (12:01 PM)
-gravity is what solidifies energy into matter?
-Larry Cashion to Panelists and Attendees (12:01 PM)
-So are you saying there is nothing without Gravity?
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:01 PM)
-It is where God lives  ;)  outside of time!
-david Beatty to Panelists and Attendees (12:01 PM)
-I like the concept of Source Consciousness..
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (12:03 PM)
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
-The moment you talk of frequency you are inherently talking about time.
+Good morning, Jim and All… lovely morning here in Kamloops BC Canada. You are invited to change the To in this chat to  include Attendees so we can see what you say… have a good day!
-Shannon god outside of you is duality.
-Dana Tomasino to Panelists and Attendees (12:03 PM)
-Does the torus figure into your modeling/thinking regarding the fundamental structure of the Universe? How does it relate to the structures you mentioned?
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:04 PM)
-good question, Jim!!
-Stephan Verveen to Panelists and Attendees (12:05 PM)
-I recall that in scripture G*D is referred to as a motionless mover.
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:05 PM)
-consciousness is different from memory
-Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life to Panelists and Attendees (12:05 PM)
-Jim isn't memory a point in time on a linear scale.
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:05 PM)
-could be, Malini, but not necessarily imho
-Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees (12:06 PM)
-neurons that fire together wire together
-Larry Cashion to Panelists and Attendees (12:06 PM)
-Is it memory or the capacity to sense/vision what is in a layer ofspace at a moment in time?
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (12:06 PM)
-https://www.gaia.com/lp/quantum-revolution?utm_source=google+paid&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=1-INTL-ENGLISH-NASSIM-HARAMEIN&utm_term=nassim%20haramein&utm_content=nassim-haramein&gclid=CjwKCAiAnvj9BRA4EiwAuUMDf-ynyyw9UYW3Kxe0VmeVaqpPXQpWr7DkGJ7f03NAL530LVAkXN8ZdRoCL-sQAvD_BwE
-david Beatty to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
-Joe.. where does Tauros modelling fit?
+Good Morning From: the sunny woods of North Carolina.
-Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
-Thanks Kat, Gaia is great source for thought.
-David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
-I had a NDE once where I seemed to be close to Source consciousness.  I had several questions I wanted answers for, but they were answered before I could even formulate them.  Sadly, I could not remember the answers when I awoke… David Stoney
-Me to All panelists and other attendees (12:07 PM)
-Is someone besides me trying to capture the chat?
-Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
-The exchange with the universe creates aka cords that create memory
-Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
-I could Stanley…
-sharon to Panelists and Attendees (12:07 PM)
-concept of no mind (amanibhava)?
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
-https://www.resonancescience.org/about-nassim-haramein
+Good Morning From: dark and rainy Seattle. So wonderful to start the day with you all.
-Rachel Root to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
-That is fascinating
-Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
-Google "logical geometry"
-https://logicalgeometry.org/
+From: Peter Merry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
-Logical Geometry web pages. ... two key concepts in our logical analysis, namely bitstrings and logical relations; some two- and three-dimensional diagrams we ... ‎Research Programme · ‎Papers · ‎Talks · ‎Events
+Hi everyone, remember to select All panelists and attendees if you want everyone to read your chat.
+From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
+Good morning From: Minnesota!
+From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
+Kate, I’m in Mpls. Where are you?
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04  )
+Ahhh Mpls. my hometown! I’m in Marin County North of San Francisco 🌞
+From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06  )
+Hi Amy! I am in Elk River : )
+From: Beverly Sullivan to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06  )
+“When nothing is certain, everything is possible.”
+From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07  )
+Beverly YES!
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07  )
+I am humbled by the goodness that I encounter each day.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08  )
+@Beverly yes indeed!
+From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08  )
+Good calls to good!
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08  )
+Thank you Jim. Wow. yes…
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:09  )
+Welcome Sabinije, this is the spirit lifter.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15  )
+Yes!!!! Thank you.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15  )
+Yay, Peter & Malcolm! Welcome!
+From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15  )
+@Kate, let’s connect later at amyblumenshine@mac.com    Cheryl is also nearby
+From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16  )
+Malcolm, so lovely to see you. Excited to hear your wisdom.
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19  )
+Oh, Dear Malcolm, deepest sympathy 💐
+From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19  )
+@Amy Great! Will do.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19  )
+I heard about the self inflicted death of my oldest son at Eselan. Yup a long journey but it has become a wonderful story of completion and it opened my heart.
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21  )
+@Kathryn Blessings on your journey & thank you for your wisdom❤️
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:21  )
+Mary Magdalene is a mystic guide for those that follow that path
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
+Yes, we ALL need to think out of the box to survive
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
+_/\_ It had to be - it completed 4,500 years of pain and anger. Well worth it, sad it had to happen.
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23  )
+it reminds me of the quote: change is inevitable, growth is optional
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23  )
+So true, our pain can feed the new Consciousness
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:23  )
+Yes, Malcolm. And there is light at the end of the tunnel.
+A lifetime of pain.
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24  )
+Yes Peter we will need to go through that pain
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24  )
+as children do… and they/we learn…
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25  )
+I think that is much of the anger people are expressing is our anger at ourselves for doing what we’ve done. It is easier to be angry at others than to accept responsibility.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25  )
+yes, Kathryn
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25  )
+Peter, Yes.
+From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
+Connect to nature is the msg of the indigenous people for human survival
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
+Yes what we have to awaken to what has happened on this planet
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
+Compounded grief.
+From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
+Thanks Malcolm in tears, and very moved by your vulnerability. Our hearts melt and shatter, grow and transform. We need to care deeply.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
+it is a daily Practice.
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
+Getting beyond the current trauma will have to manifest certain people who act as Imaginal cells. These people will learn to foster helpfulness among people.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
+My lesson was to apologize - to own my actions and to say - to my son - I’m sorry. It took me 4,500 years to do that. My hope is that we, as humanity, can do that - each of us individually - to nature. We have to apologize and then do better!
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
+Yes, Peter.  Exactly.
+Grieving is a natural process.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
+@Stanley - yes!
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
+We love you, Malcolm. You are held here in love and gratitude...
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
+HR has been part of mine.
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
+It is awakening and cleansing our part
+From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
+Would you mind sharing some of those practices?
+From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30  )
+Yes! That is my work, how we can not blame, even when we are hurting.
+From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30  )
+Is there a "cosmic source of guidance" that can act as a collective polestar -- such as the paradigm of "oneness" or "wholeness" -- that could lead the collective towards healing....(?)
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31  )
+@Bruce - yes - inside…
+From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31  )
+@Kathryn - can it be shared  (?)
+From: Hilde Paz to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31  )
+Much easier to express anger and rage, rather than  feeling vulnerable.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
+@Bruce, it  is - though mostly not known or seen
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
+I think we can share our experience, but everyone walks their path alone..
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
+Malcolm, so touching to hear your story, thank you
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
+That may be ending, @Kathryn…
+idk
+From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33  )
+Yes…Peter we have to own what is surfacing within moment to moment judgments of others
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
+Early 90's I learned how to grieve.  And have been widening the circles.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
+The inner and outer rhythm is a key to connection, I think...
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
+Very wise Malcolm...grief is in the throat(in the Polarity Therapy model I work)...Letting out the sound & tears cleanses the holding pattern! Letting GO!
+From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
+I held on to anger for many decades after mother was killed in an automobile wreck when I was 10.  It nearly killed me.  I’ve worked hard at letting it go and being open to the pain and grief of her loss.  Forgiveness has been very important… David Stoney
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
+Sometimes the cushion is a phase to enter the into the grief
+From: Jo Berry to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35  )
+Malcolm you were present in 1984 when I  silently committed to not blame the terrorist who killed my Dad, instead bring love and compassion. Still on that journey!
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35  )
+Yes, Joanna.   It is a choice.
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35  )
+Yes, set it up for the Evolutionary process
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35  )
+The next stage of evolution... We're seeing the dawning of the Age of Helpfulness.
+From: Ken Haldenstein to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36  )
+I appreciate all of the personal sharing here.  I experienced major depression for many years in the late ‘80s and part of the ‘90s, and have been in treatment since then.  So I can relate to some of the themes here.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37  )
+It all unfolds magically.
+From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37  )
+@Bruce and @Kathryn My experience of losing my husband was completely different than with my mother. I believe each journey is extremely personal and unique. I embraced the grief immediately with my mum. It took me 2 years before I began my grief journey in terms of my husband.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37  )
+@Shannon - bearing witness - we are entering the stage to make that happen for others. for Turmps believers, for…..
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38  )
+yes…
+From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38  )
+We are both the witness and the embedded participant.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39  )
+MOM is not always gentle with the guidance we need.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39  )
+@Lesley, yes each relationship is unique. There is no ‘one’ way, no ‘rule’ or steps to follow, just trust and engaging - keep on keeping on. Resonate - what a wonderful word and place.
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39  )
+Great question Peter.
+From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40  )
+“Forgiveness is the answer, the divine answer, to the question implied in our existence.  An answer is answer only for him who has asked, who is aware of the question.” (Paul Tillich) … David Stoney
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40  )
+@David - very wise and wonderful
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
+Follow our intuition
+From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
+@Kathryn yes :)
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
+listen deeply…
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
+intuition = MOM’s whispers
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
+Daily practice...follow your intuition...trust...follow
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
+Yes - I see emotion as information - it tells me how important something is to me and that’s is interesting and worth paying attention to.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43  )
+It is a very creative process.
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44  )
+Yes Peter lesson is not to ASSUME that because you have been able to follow the intuitive once it will always work in the same way
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44  )
+It’s not about the steps, it’s about taking them - that’s where authenticity resides.
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44  )
+beautiful Peter
+From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45  )
+@Kathryn, thanks, David
+From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+Just as there is not one healing method for all, we all need to take responsibility
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+Tolle DOES hesitate… and allows the right things  to say arise in the moment…
+From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+to find our own Way
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+@Peg - YES!
+From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+Thank you Malcolm ... was angry when my brother passed 2 years ago and only recently really started grieving and realizing anger was a way not to feel the grief and regret. And yes, Kathryn, emotions is information or language of the soul
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+A hard thing to do.
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
+beginners mind…
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47  )
+the energy of life behind the world is what creates the magic
+the words
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47  )
+@Anne-Marie beautiful!
+From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47  )
+Yes, difficult, yet all the more fulfilling in each of our journeys…and ultimately healing for all
+From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48  )
+That’s US!!
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
+YAY
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
+yes!
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
+Intuition is the most important for connecting to the antidotes for what ails us! ASK for clarity!
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
+HR is an amazing Sangha
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
+that makes my heart sing Peter!
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
+Sanger... the daily existence of HR is creating a sense of trust.. and the consistent message is doing wonders for all of us who are coming here each day.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
+a safe space to put voice to the pain. Others holding a space of Deep Listening.  @shannon
+From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
+@Anne-Marie ...yes, right on
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
+Just in time!
+From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
+@Stanley, yes sangha it is that brings us together and showing up every day.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
+we’re doing it!
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
+Oneness
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52  )
+it is the joining of the many into sanghas and then them together and and and… One!
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53  )
+OtherNetwors.org is one of the platforms that Peter is talking about. And each these platforms are attempting to collect and coordinate the others in a network of networks.
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53  )
+the irritation is important !!
+so is grief and the letting go of anger...
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54  )
+@Peter  Trust is felt.  All flows.
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
+One expression of the connections is going to happen tomorrow at the conversation.cc and is being called the press conference... Does someone have the URL for tomorrow's press conference?
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
+Yes, Vulnerability is a Strength
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
+Inspired and supportive of each other....so important....and full authenticity.
+From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
+Yes, Peter ... through this lockdown many platforms have popped up and connecting through breakout groups and like the after-chat in not just getting support but allowing imaginable cells emerge
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
+@Suzanne, beautiful said
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
+Here it is... it's happening tomorrow: https://thepressconference.org/
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57  )
+The Zoom link for the press conference, all day From: 9 am PST to 5: https://zoom.us/j/595172819
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57  )
+thank you!!
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57  )
+Thank you, Kathryn.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57  )
+@Suzanne - yes  - that IS how the imaginal cells are showing up - brilliant!
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58  )
+Without abrasion no shine…!
+From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)
+Like a hammer blow, I’ve been struck with the realization that the Source (Oneness) and Mother Earth have provided us with a planetary emergency (the pandemic) that, if we so choose, can break us open to be able to see a path forward different From: the suicide mission we’re currently on.  Which is what Humanity Rising is all about, of course.  Please forgive my slowness.  Sometimes even my uncanny grasp of the obvious lets me down…   David Stoney
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)
+Beautiful Peter
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)
+Beautiful David. ;)
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)
+@David    Beautiful realization
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)
+When you care about the essence of the other ...when you care about the heart of others.
+It takes courage .
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)
+@David oxoxoxox
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)
+It is so much easier to just do it!
+From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)
+Thank you Malcolm for that piece of realization
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)
+I am enjoying this conversation soooo much. Aren’t we blessed?
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)
+yes!!
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)
+Doshin Nelson added ‘screw up’ to wake up, clean up, grow up and show up…
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)
+@Annelies - LOL
+From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)
+@ Annelies - nice!
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)
+#profound yes, thank you Peter
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
+@Peter  Yes.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
+@Malcom - YES, so sweet!
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
+Malcom, thank you for those words
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)
+@Malcom  Thank you.
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
+Humility is imortant piece to releasing Judgement.
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
+Peter's referencing Ashby's law...
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
+It is exciting!
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)
+yahoo!
+From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)
+Mary Oliver!
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)
+@Peg - yes!
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)
+@ Malcolm  YES!
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)
+oh my
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)
+Beautiful Quote!
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)
+THANK YOU for That Malcolm....full heart.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)
+WE are death phobic, but that’s almost all we create - what you pay attention to grows…
+From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)
+Our own mortality; a collective denial of our universal terminal diagnosis- Facing it can be liberating (hint: it doesn't exist)
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)
+that might be one of the teachings of covid… letting come death close by
+From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)
+A beautiful resource is this past Science and Nonduality conference - virtual - on Dying and Living - recordings still available
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)
+nice Annelies
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+Thank you kala
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+yes David!
+From: Peg Kuperman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+Yes Malcolm, we truly know how to live when we honor and embrace death, thank you
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+Common Practice & Hello (the game) Jump to navigation Jump to search   https://commonpractice.com/  Hello is a conversationgame.      It's the easy, non-threatening way to start a conversationwith your family and friends about what matters most to you.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+Layer by Layer.  deeper and deeper. like a Life review.
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)
+Yes Malcolm that is when the suffering becomes a gift,
+Although it doesn't always feel that way.
+From: Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)
+Not that I believe this, but it is interesting to think about..a practitioner of mine had COVID-19 back in February—she tested for antibodies later—she was working with a healer the other day who told her people get COVID-19 who are afraid of dying
+From: Hilde Paz to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)
+Nice words, but difficult to practice.
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)
+@Malcolm.  Thank you.
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)
+Start a conversation with Hello  Hello is a conversation game. It's the safe, easy, and fun way to talk about living and dying and what matters most. https://commonpractice.com/
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+@Malcolm.  Thank you. Bless you! Your sharing helps healing…
+From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Atul Gawande on Life and the dying process is very beautiful :
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mviU9OeufA0
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+@Peter  Beautiful.
+From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Thank you!
+From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Thank you Malcom and Peter <3
+From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Peter and Malcom you two are phenomenal
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+thank  you Peter!
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+LOVED this session and very grateful  to you both.
+From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Thank you Peter and Malcolm!
+From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)
+Thank You 🙏
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)
+Wonderful conversation!! Truly a model of being real.
+From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)
+Thank you Peter and Malcom🙏
+From: Tiffany Stone to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)
+Yeah so great to hear someone say I’m not an intellectual...there are so many other types
+From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
+Connecting over our shared humanity
+From: Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
+So true, Jim!
+From: Hilary Van Welter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)
+what is the name of the Mary Oliver poem?
+From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)
+Wild Geese, I think
+From: Diane Sue to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)
+“This is the true joy in life, being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one. Being a force of nature instead of a feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy. I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community and as long as I live, it is my privilege to do for it what I can. I want to be thoroughly used up when I die, for the harder I work, the more I live. I rejoice in life for its own sake. Life is no brief candle to me. It is a sort of splendid torch which I have got hold of for the moment and I want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations.”
+― George Bernard Shaw
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)
+@Lesley - The Summer Day I think
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)
+Good for Google.
+From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)
+Summer Day is the book, Wild Geese is the poem
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)
+@jim  Thank you for these words at this time.
+From: Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)
+Heartfelt thank you, metta to you Malcom and Peter! And yes Jim!
+From: Kala to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)
+Awesome!
+From: Diane Sue to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)
+Thank you for an another powerful discussion and for sharing your wisdom.
+From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)
+Marvelous wisdom all around today.  Thanks Peter, Malcolm, Jim and everyone… Health and wholeness…. David Stoney
+From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)
+Thank you so much for this quote.
+From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
+Also, Daniel Ellsberg is married to the sister of Barbara Marx Hubbard.
+From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
+.               ..oOo.. Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session closes. We encourage presenters, community people From: around the world to participate. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541
+From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
+Music to my Heart. @ jim
+From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
+wow, Clare! Really!?
+From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)
+Thanks so much Malcolm for sharing your wisdom and HEART.
-Google "Jacoby logical hexagon" re. my father's innovation in 1950 for diagramming logical relationaships, using a triangle (double triangle) rather than the traditional "square of opposites"
-auguste to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
-@david stoney Suzanne Geissman’s work addresses this
-Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees (12:08 PM)
-Also Chestahedron:  http://frankchester.com/chestahedron-geometry/#:~:text=The%20chestahedron%20is%20a%20unique,with%20faces%20of%20equal%20area.
-Larry Cashion to Panelists and Attendees (12:09 PM)
-Is it memory or the capacity to sense/vision what is in a layer of space at a moment in time?
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