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15:03:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Apologies in advance, I need to leave at the half.
15:03:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Apologies in advance, I need to leave at the half.


15:04:06 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Did you want to record this Lauren?
15:04:06 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Did you want to record this Lauren?


15:05:03 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : <nowiki>https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000</nowiki>
15:05:03 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::


15:06:02 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : <nowiki>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit</nowiki>
15:06:02 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::


15:08:20 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : <nowiki>https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000</nowiki>
15:08:20 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::


15:09:04 From Franka to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Check this link
15:09:04 From Franka to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Check this link


<nowiki>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit</nowiki>
::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::


15:10:14 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : Vincent - thanks; scrolling down works
15:10:14 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : Vincent - thanks; scrolling down works


15:10:17 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : This link: <nowiki>https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000</nowiki>
15:10:17 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : This link: ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::


15:11:40 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : no matter where you are you are still here
15:11:40 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : no matter where you are you are still here
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15:24:37 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I had a question too!
15:24:37 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I had a question too!


15:27:47 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : My ‚Wheel of Co-Creation’ presentation of 50 min is now on my youtube channel here <nowiki>https://youtu.be/NeC52SvqVqk</nowiki>
15:27:47 From [[Freed Schmitter]] to Everyone : My ‚Wheel of Co-Creation’ presentation of 50 min is now on my youtube channel here ::https://youtu.be/NeC52SvqVqk::


15:28:58 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : @Walter I hate the overuse of “roles”. Roles are theoretical; better to describe or label the actual work.
15:28:58 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : @Walter I hate the overuse of “roles”. Roles are theoretical; better to describe or label the actual work.
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15:31:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Thanks all, it's good to see you all! Looking forward to seeing how things unfold through the summer. Off to other things for now.
15:31:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Thanks all, it's good to see you all! Looking forward to seeing how things unfold through the summer. Off to other things for now.


15:32:23 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : Thank you everyone! Here’s the tool. You can sign up for an onboarding call with me to try Maptio here: <nowiki>https://maptio.com</nowiki>
15:32:23 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : Thank you everyone! Here’s the tool. You can sign up for an onboarding call with me to try Maptio here: ::https://maptio.com::


15:32:50 From Ken Homer • San Rafael CA to Everyone : Thanks Tom!
15:32:50 From Ken Homer • San Rafael CA to Everyone : Thanks Tom!


15:33:10 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : …and here’s my book if you’re interested :) <nowiki>https://tomnixon.gumroad.com/l/Piwhd</nowiki>
15:33:10 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : …and here’s my book if you’re interested :) ::https://tomnixon.gumroad.com/l/Piwhd::


15:36:39 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : job descriptions —> impact statement
15:36:39 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : job descriptions —> impact statement
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15:39:16 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : this came onto my radar this week also (related);
15:39:16 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : this came onto my radar this week also (related);


<nowiki>https://learningecosystems2020.globaledufutures.org/?fbclid=IwAR0OF26-sdYtCmDzgX3r5-NDdSsP5OODpuTAjesNJotlRncnDODvio-QteU</nowiki>
::https://learningecosystems2020.globaledufutures.org/?fbclid=IwAR0OF26-sdYtCmDzgX3r5-NDdSsP5OODpuTAjesNJotlRncnDODvio-QteU::


15:40:12 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I’d also like to respond to Wendy’s question!
15:40:12 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I’d also like to respond to Wendy’s question!
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15:44:42 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I run a site that offers a directory of projects, programs and other creative things. I’m looking to interview you about the things you’re doing and the things (websites, books, projects, etc) that you thing other people should be able to find.
15:44:42 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I run a site that offers a directory of projects, programs and other creative things. I’m looking to interview you about the things you’re doing and the things (websites, books, projects, etc) that you thing other people should be able to find.


15:44:48 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Wish you were here <nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjpF8ukSrvk</nowiki>
15:44:48 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Wish you were here ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjpF8ukSrvk::


15:46:30 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Hi Stan, you may be interested in some projects I’m working on
15:46:30 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Hi Stan, you may be interested in some projects I’m working on
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15:46:38 From Ximena Holguin to Everyone : Italian team Graziano, Bianca, Simon not here
15:46:38 From Ximena Holguin to Everyone : Italian team Graziano, Bianca, Simon not here


15:47:25 From Erik H to Everyone : <nowiki>https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l8UwQ64=/</nowiki>
15:47:25 From Erik H to Everyone : ::https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l8UwQ64=/::


15:47:28 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : <nowiki>https://www.michaelgaio.com/</nowiki>
15:47:28 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : ::https://www.michaelgaio.com/::


15:48:00 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : what is your project website ?
15:48:00 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : what is your project website ?


15:48:08 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : <nowiki>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit</nowiki>
15:48:08 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::


15:48:14 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Wendy to your previous point: I feel like an “impact role” could have many projects… i also feel like projects could have many roles :D
15:48:14 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Wendy to your previous point: I feel like an “impact role” could have many projects… i also feel like projects could have many roles :D
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15:49:19 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Ex) My impact role in CICOLAB is to help organize knowledge. Trove is a project that helps me carry out that role. But also that project needs help with organizing as a role XD
15:49:19 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Ex) My impact role in CICOLAB is to help organize knowledge. Trove is a project that helps me carry out that role. But also that project needs help with organizing as a role XD


15:49:48 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : My project is <nowiki>https://OtherNetworks.org</nowiki>
15:49:48 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : My project is ::https://OtherNetworks.org::


15:50:04 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : Here’s an explanation <nowiki>https://othernetworks.org/Why_OtherNetworks%3F</nowiki>
15:50:04 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : Here’s an explanation ::https://othernetworks.org/Why_OtherNetworks%3F::


15:55:50 From Wendy Elford to Everyone : Signal noise detection
15:55:50 From Wendy Elford to Everyone : Signal noise detection
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16:14:46 From Marc Thibault to Everyone : Think of breadcrumbs Hansel & Gretel
16:14:46 From Marc Thibault to Everyone : Think of breadcrumbs Hansel & Gretel


16:15:20 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex</nowiki> Vanevar Bush
16:15:20 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex:: Vanevar Bush


16:16:07 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : in defense of that.....
16:16:07 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : in defense of that.....
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17:11:04 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Thanks Wendy :D
17:11:04 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Thanks Wendy :D


17:11:21 From Mark Carranza to Everyone : the knowledge repository, co-created of the Buckminster Fuller Institute: <nowiki>https://spaceshipearth.live/</nowiki>
17:11:21 From Mark Carranza to Everyone : the knowledge repository, co-created of the Buckminster Fuller Institute: ::https://spaceshipearth.live/::


17:12:40 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : and screensharing?
17:12:40 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : and screensharing?
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17:12:46 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : yeah….
17:12:46 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : yeah….


17:13:45 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : To join the CiC use this link <nowiki>https://communitymagic.org/mailman/listinfo/cic_communitymagic.org</nowiki>
17:13:45 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : To join the CiC use this link ::https://communitymagic.org/mailman/listinfo/cic_communitymagic.org::


17:14:05 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Some technical difficulties, can launch a session.
17:14:05 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Some technical difficulties, can launch a session.
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17:14:45 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : we can post the zoom link here:
17:14:45 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : we can post the zoom link here:


17:14:56 From Erik H to Everyone : <nowiki>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit</nowiki>
17:14:56 From Erik H to Everyone : ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::


17:15:04 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : <nowiki>https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84236761960?pwd=T24vL3lYQ3Rla3NqUTZpSXJWaGMyQT09</nowiki>
17:15:04 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84236761960?pwd=T24vL3lYQ3Rla3NqUTZpSXJWaGMyQT09::


17:15:08 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Thanks Walter, Jamen also signing up to help folks get connected, any issues:  jamenshively@gmail.com, cell:  206 251 0222 (US #)
17:15:08 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Thanks Walter, Jamen also signing up to help folks get connected, any issues:  jamenshively@gmail.com, cell:  206 251 0222 (US #)
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17:16:32 From Judith Benham to Everyone : what lignin??
17:16:32 From Judith Benham to Everyone : what lignin??


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15:03:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Apologies in advance, I need to leave at the half.
15:04:06 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Did you want to record this Lauren?
15:05:03 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::
15:06:02 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::
15:08:20 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::
15:09:04 From Franka to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Check this link
::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::
15:10:14 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : Vincent - thanks; scrolling down works
15:10:17 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : This link: ::https://www.catalist.network/event/1621271939345x359898941126869000::
15:11:40 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : no matter where you are you are still here
15:12:11 From Laureli Shimayo to Everyone : I need to dash for another meeting. Happy to have been here with all of you. I love this group. Love what we do. I look forward to what is next (and summer is a wild time).
15:12:48 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Hover over the name - get more info?
15:14:29 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : MOGA great again? amazing
15:16:27 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Markhof is what?
15:17:06 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : The place in Austria where this example is situated?
15:18:36 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Hold a position, play a role, "wear" a title?
15:21:03 From Robert Best to Everyone : the participant list has the right order technically.
15:22:15 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : These diagrams are so different from org charts. maybe a new name? like whole systems org diagram
15:22:30 From Erik H to Everyone : mapis a much better word than chart
15:24:23 From Wendy Elford to Everyone : Tom you might like to look at Holocentric
15:24:37 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I had a question too!
15:27:47 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : My ‚Wheel of Co-Creation’ presentation of 50 min is now on my youtube channel here ::https://youtu.be/NeC52SvqVqk::
15:28:58 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : @Walter I hate the overuse of “roles”. Roles are theoretical; better to describe or label the actual work.
15:31:13 From Peter Kaminski to Everyone : Thanks all, it's good to see you all! Looking forward to seeing how things unfold through the summer. Off to other things for now.
15:32:23 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : Thank you everyone! Here’s the tool. You can sign up for an onboarding call with me to try Maptio here: ::https://maptio.com::
15:32:50 From Ken Homer • San Rafael CA to Everyone : Thanks Tom!
15:33:10 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : …and here’s my book if you’re interested :) ::https://tomnixon.gumroad.com/l/Piwhd::
15:36:39 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : job descriptions —> impact statement
15:36:47 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : Tom: is there a way to render a maptio map as a typical org chart that shows a hierarchy?
15:37:32 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : @bill we had the feature but then hid it as almost nobody used it! We might reinstate one day if there’s enough interest but usually people use Maptio because they don’t want the traditional view.
15:38:25 From Bill Anderson to Everyone : that makes sense. I’ll send you an email with a few thoughts.
15:38:37 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : Thanks!
15:38:46 From Tom Nixon (he/him) to Everyone : My email is tom@maptio.com
15:38:53 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : yes, I love this notion of action / outcome based roles … much more dynamic than statitc
15:39:05 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : what is the end result we want to have?
15:39:16 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : this came onto my radar this week also (related);
::https://learningecosystems2020.globaledufutures.org/?fbclid=IwAR0OF26-sdYtCmDzgX3r5-NDdSsP5OODpuTAjesNJotlRncnDODvio-QteU::
15:40:12 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : I’d also like to respond to Wendy’s question!
15:40:57 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : ^ from above link :
“We identify a variety of roles and competencies ecosystem leaders play when cultivating learning ecosystems as well as the roles played by diverse actors within learning ecosystems – within a spectrum of what we call gardening and weaving in evolving learning ecosystems.”
15:41:03 From Stanley Pokras to Franka(Direct Message) : Hi Franka
15:44:42 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I run a site that offers a directory of projects, programs and other creative things. I’m looking to interview you about the things you’re doing and the things (websites, books, projects, etc) that you thing other people should be able to find.
15:44:48 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Wish you were here ::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjpF8ukSrvk::
15:46:30 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Hi Stan, you may be interested in some projects I’m working on
15:46:38 From Ximena Holguin to Everyone : Italian team Graziano, Bianca, Simon not here
15:47:25 From Erik H to Everyone : ::https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l8UwQ64=/::
15:47:28 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : ::https://www.michaelgaio.com/::
15:48:00 From Michael Gaio to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : what is your project website ?
15:48:08 From Freed Schmitter to Everyone : ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JyF93-iYxGyc4mj9IZvhKJwcETG4bL5yAABd5BeNjwM/edit::
15:48:14 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Wendy to your previous point: I feel like an “impact role” could have many projects… i also feel like projects could have many roles :D
15:49:19 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Ex) My impact role in CICOLAB is to help organize knowledge. Trove is a project that helps me carry out that role. But also that project needs help with organizing as a role XD
15:49:48 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : My project is ::https://OtherNetworks.org::
15:50:04 From Stanley Pokras to Michael Gaio(Direct Message) : Here’s an explanation ::https://othernetworks.org/Why_OtherNetworks%3F::
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17:19:59 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : 588409
17:25:03 From Erik H to Everyone : I just wanted to check that this was all going to work OK, but going to head off now.
Fielding offers of bribes to become host......
17:25:04 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Text AND graphics
17:25:27 From Erik H to Everyone : anyone, anyone.
17:25:38 From Erik H to Everyone : who will start the bidding?
17:25:45 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : I am happy to be Host
17:25:57 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : I offer you 1,000 quid
17:26:03 From Erik H to Everyone : wot u offering?
17:26:15 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : 1,000 quid and a year’s supply of beer
17:26:16 From Erik H to Everyone : anyone else?
17:26:22 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : and 5 ounces of ganja
17:26:28 From Erik H to Everyone : ok then
17:26:35 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Sold!
17:26:36 From Judith Benham to Everyone : Can’t stay long …was just curious what this would be.
17:26:36 From Erik H to Everyone : the ganja tied it
17:26:42 From Erik H to Everyone : tipped
17:27:06 From Erik H to Everyone : gnite all
17:27:07 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Great to see you Erik
17:27:09 From Wendy McLean to Everyone : I was just curious too.  Only staying a few more minutes.
17:28:21 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : I’m making everyone co-host
17:29:25 From Wendy McLean to Everyone : Bye!  I have to go too!  Have a lovely week!
17:29:44 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Recording is for people who care to remember
17:30:13 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Whose email don't I have already, please?
17:31:29 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : You break the internet, you buy it!
17:32:54 From Judith Benham to Everyone : jlbenham@earthlink.net
17:33:10 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Thanks!
17:34:07 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Non-digest (regular) members:
      karinhergert@icloud.com (Karin Hergert)
      astridmeira@gmail.com (Astrid Meira)
      stan@othernetworks.org (Stan Pokras)
      louise@communitymagic.org (Stan’s alter ego)
      lauren@cicolab.org (Lauren Nignon)
      sparklingwithall@gmail.com (Shannon McArthur)
      planetwork@telfort.nl (Frreed Schmitter)
      wendy@everyoneswisdom.com (Wendy McLean)
      jamenshively@gmail.com (Jamen Shively)
      michael@factr.com (Michael Grossman)
  Digest members:
      mycosmiccontacts@gmail.com (Marco Elstermann)
      mark.carranza@gmail.com (Mark Carranza)
Lauren… this group was hanging out when Jamen helped me find them… I had missed the regular CICOLab meeting.
Perhaps Jamen can write up his plan for next steps…
— Stan
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CIC@communitymagic.org
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17:35:01 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone : Marco Elstermann
Port Huron, Michigan
Director Great Lakes Environmental Alliance 501(c)(3)(h)
Host at theconversation.cc Campfire <nowiki>https://zoom.us/j/595172819</nowiki>
Email: mycosmiccontacts@gmail.com
Phone: +1 (810) 294-3026
Also Telegram & WhatsApp
<nowiki>https://www.facebook.com/marco.elstermann.7</nowiki>
17:35:13 From Trae Ashlie-Garen to Everyone : trae@winfinity.ca
17:35:49 From Parmjit Nahil to Everyone : pnahil@hotmail.com
17:36:24 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : If they want their group maintained in some fashion, they will need to say what and who and how
17:36:45 From Trae Ashlie-Garen to Everyone : Telegram 1-403-277-8749
17:41:51 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : More than happy to host Zoom whenever
17:43:55 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Discord between the founders has been out in the open for at least three weeks.
The fact that we individually and as a group did not manage to step-up and help or support them, that's on us.
Not about having a permission, but perhaps responsiblity
17:44:12 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone : Thanks Walter
17:47:50 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Let's keep the "seat warm", keep meeting, for when either of them decides to come back.
17:48:06 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Just got an email reply from Lauren:
17:48:11 From Jamen Shively to Everyone : Well, there is the Twitter account, the newsletter, the Quicklinks doc, planning the sessions, scheduling the hot seats, making a customized survey, designing a Miro board, uploading the videos, etc.
17:51:27 From Marco Elstermann to Everyone : BREAKOUT SUMMER — by Erik H   
As Charles and Lauren take some time off this summer, CICOLAB's Monday sessions will spend some time focusing on breakout room protocols. Breakouts are not always especially productive and can get messy, but getting good at doing them could pay huge dividends in the long term.   
A good deal of exploration has already been done, the idea is to now instantiate and practice some of those ideas. The hope is that regularity of roles and structure, along with practice, will develop a huge amount of latent potential in the group.   
Some of the key things to start with are:
    1) Specifying clearly each of the breakout room roles and their responsibilities: recording, summarising, facilitating/leading etc.
    2) Individuals volunteering for/being allocated roles and sticking to them every week, at least for a while. This both gives us a chance to practice and get better at them AND means that it doesn't need to be figured out afresh every week.
    3) Keeping the same pe
17:52:44 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Today, I gotta run shortly.
Let's comm and plan via email.
Pretty sure several of us will stay in touch and do good stuff, with or without CICO blessing...
17:55:39 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : walter@kinsys.com
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