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Stan at 00:58, 20 June 2021

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16:33:42 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : Stanley!!

16:33:59 From Jamen Shively, Whidbey Island, WA to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Great to see you here Stan!

16:36:01 From Judith Benham to Everyone : Possibilities for axes: stupid/wise; individual/collective group; immoral/moral or good for all/good for few.

16:36:17 From charles blass to Everyone : The Story of the Story of the CIQ (Collective intelligence quotient)

<nowiki>https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lOYiCIU=/</nowiki>

16:38:10 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Nice sounding "Cannot manage what cannot measure", was initially attributed to Deming, and he said exactly the opposite. More recently attributed to Drucker, also improperly.

<nowiki>https://deming.org/myth-if-you-cant-measure-it-you-cant-manage-it/</nowiki>

16:39:03 From August Domanchuk to Everyone : Mutual benefit to 'The Whole' which is completly inclusive. Think of it as a combination, summation, or emergence of everything.

16:39:40 From Judith Benham to Everyone : +August

16:39:51 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : that seems a sound process

16:40:00 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Do not discount "other people's" cognitive abilities. They resent being talked down to, and that alone proves that they can and want more...

16:40:17 From Judith Benham to Everyone : ++Walter

16:41:25 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : I have some experience with 3D mapping of CI and Consciousness :

<nowiki>https://www.gaioproductions.com/project/cogspace/</nowiki>

16:41:26 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Intellectuals are invariably guilty of this sin, to our own peril.

16:43:39 From charles blass to Everyone : 'simon says' :-p

16:43:41 From August Domanchuk to Everyone : Battery about to die. Thank you all for the meaningful discussion. Talk this week! 👋🌟

16:43:48 From charles blass to Everyone : thx auguist!!!

16:44:35 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : The Divine Milieu?

16:44:57 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Simon's committed to Good and I'm big on Intelligence, but there appears to be an a belief that Collective is a certain positive.

The Final Solution plan was a collaborative effort., a working document...

16:46:44 From Alan to Everyone : are we discussing how to collectively make decisions to improve the world. wouldn't exploring why we want CI in the first place what do we want to do with it make it more focused?

16:47:18 From Jamen Shively, Whidbey Island, WA to Everyone : +1 Alan

16:48:51 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : +1 Walter +1 +1 +1 on all the comments you are making!

16:49:00 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Can each person on this call create a page in OtherNetworks.org for their own bio and any organization they work with or even just like… here is a link to an entry form: <nowiki>https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CK9CGKZ</nowiki>

16:49:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Thanks Stanley!

16:49:34 From Peter Halasi Zürich, CH to Everyone : Sorry, I need to leave soon, would love to see where go arrive though

16:49:42 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : So, again, personally, Collective or Intelligence or Good?

I'm on Intelligence, but as an adherent of a belief system that Evil is lack of understanding. That darkness is absence of light. And I can effectively argue against this.

16:50:42 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Play with the boundaries not inside them - Jamen!

16:50:52 From Jamen Shively, Whidbey Island, WA to Everyone : Thanks Ken — exactly!

16:51:19 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : Should I use your scheduling tool to set up a conversation?

16:51:50 From Jamen Shively, Whidbey Island, WA to Everyone : Forgetting what we were about to say is a great indicator of Collective Superintelligence emerging . . . so kudos Erik

16:52:27 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Teaching stories, whatever shape they take...

16:53:16 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : But A lot of the stories that I know are longer and come from an indigenous lineage - so they are historic - and they need the time to be told and the time to be listened to…

16:53:22 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : +1 Judith - This was a terrific conversation as we explore what could be. If it was easy, it would have been done before. Thanks, Lauren!!!

16:54:59 From Lauren Nignon to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Here you go, Stanley: <nowiki>https://airtable.com/shrKUFJjDhvDietVS</nowiki>

16:56:06 From charles blass to Everyone : Did somebody say FLOW

16:56:11 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : The more stories I know, the more overlap I find, across cultures and geographies and millenia, so diverse that explaining the parallels cannot be fully attributed to direct transmission.

16:57:55 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book

16:58:26 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: <nowiki>https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/</nowiki>

16:59:04 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: <nowiki>https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/</nowiki>

16:59:43 From Judith Benham to Everyone : Is the video available on youtube or somewhere?

17:01:42 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : Sorry. I have to run to a meeting. Thank you all for the stimulating learning and discussion. See you next week.

17:02:18 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : <nowiki>https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/</nowiki>

17:03:04 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : “Earnest” was on my 9-item list for finding a husband

17:03:12 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : #7

17:05:06 From Alan to Everyone : Erik the idea of larger groups in open space did you mean 80 people who then break up in to smaller groups?

17:05:25 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : yes 80 total

17:06:30 From Alan to Everyone : so if there were 10 groups 80 becomes groups of 10?

17:06:46 From Alan to Everyone : 8

17:10:05 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Interaction dynamic changes profoundly from 2 to 3 to a 'small bunch, but for peer interactions'.

Otherwise, have to remember different classes of participants in a public setting, like an MC, a speaker, a panel, an audience.

In online communities more categories have been defined, channel mods, griefers, lurkers...

17:10:15 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Here’s a link to my work on the Liberating Structures with links to the book. <nowiki>https://wikidelphia.org/Liberating_Structures_List_Alpha</nowiki>

17:13:02 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : My computer decided to restart itself so I dropped out unexpectedly…

17:13:03 From Alan to Everyone : most important never become THIS

<nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDnA0in1t0</nowiki>

17:13:50 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Would be curious to learn, from professional educators, how they perceive types and groupings.

Personally I only have limited experience, instruction 1-1, leading 3-8 participant tech and biz meetings, presenting to an audience of so many dozen to a hundred, facilitating discussions of a circle of 3-18 participants.

17:15:24 From charles blass to Everyone : CICOLAB: Home of the Brave Space

17:16:10 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : I’m about to hit the ski slopes ... so jumping off. Great convo today. I’ll be back wednesday and next week. cheers

17:17:36 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Monologue, Dialogue, Multilogue?

17:18:22 From charles blass to Everyone : "WhateverTech"

17:18:55 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Vote with the browser Back

17:22:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Movie recco: Crip Camp - streaming in the USA on Netflix, this documentary details a camp in the Catskills where disabled youth were treated like ordinary kids. Many of them went on to become leaders in the disabled rights movement. I came away with a much deeper appreciation for the humanity of people that are often shunned in society

17:23:13 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : <nowiki>https://airtable.com/shrBwGicgKBQtajrU</nowiki> Appreciation and hot seat form!

17:24:10 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : Here’s the form for BraveSpace outreach: <nowiki>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JN5DCdUraAQcbKVehGyLqEywpETLDAkXcNRpuNjDWxU/edit</nowiki>

17:26:47 From charles blass to Everyone : Hippocratic Oath, <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath</nowiki>

17:27:28 From Tatiana V to Everyone : I have to hop off, great conversation, everyone! Till next week!

17:27:51 From charles blass to Everyone : "First do no harm" (Latin: Primum non nocere)

17:32:15 From charles blass to Everyone : (where's neil?!)

17:34:35 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : @Ken, curious to selectively stay anon online?

17:35:49 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : We call that “punching down”

17:36:00 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : I enjoy hackling stand-up comedians

17:36:23 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : But there are safety measures....

17:37:12 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Walter - big difference between being anon online and speaking on a zoom call when one of the participants claims to be from the Anon collective…

17:37:50 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : For anyone interested, the person I mentioned is Humberto Maturana

17:40:04 From charles blass to Everyone : @ Walter - not from the front row!

17:40:34 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Kick early and kick often.

I moderate a number of Telegram and Discord groups, catering to younger and gamier audiences, and for me it's automatic by now...

17:40:38 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : what a good idea

17:41:29 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : @charles! Totally, second row and a clear path to exits

17:41:42 From charles blass to Everyone : ^ LOL

<nowiki>17:42:14 From charles blass to Everyone : "If you are interested in participating, sign up using this form [link to Google survey form], which goes directly to the research team. "</nowiki>

let's already get to the languaging, a bit together if we might

17:43:11 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I’ve another meeting, I’ll be leaving here in a few minutes people can reach me as stan@othernetworks.org or 267-968-0407

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	~~<nowiki>~~https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lOYiCIU=/~~</nowiki>~~		::https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lOYiCIU=/::

	16:38:10 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Nice sounding "Cannot manage what cannot measure", was initially attributed to Deming, and he said exactly the opposite. More recently attributed to Drucker, also improperly.		16:38:10 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Nice sounding "Cannot manage what cannot measure", was initially attributed to Deming, and he said exactly the opposite. More recently attributed to Drucker, also improperly.

	~~<nowiki>~~https://deming.org/myth-if-you-cant-measure-it-you-cant-manage-it/~~</nowiki>~~		::https://deming.org/myth-if-you-cant-measure-it-you-cant-manage-it/::

	16:39:03 From August Domanchuk to Everyone : Mutual benefit to 'The Whole' which is completly inclusive. Think of it as a combination, summation, or emergence of everything.		16:39:03 From August Domanchuk to Everyone : Mutual benefit to 'The Whole' which is completly inclusive. Think of it as a combination, summation, or emergence of everything.
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	16:41:25 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : I have some experience with 3D mapping of CI and Consciousness :		16:41:25 From Michael Gaio to Everyone : I have some experience with 3D mapping of CI and Consciousness :

	~~<nowiki>~~https://www.gaioproductions.com/project/cogspace/~~</nowiki>~~		::https://www.gaioproductions.com/project/cogspace/::

	16:41:26 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Intellectuals are invariably guilty of this sin, to our own peril.		16:41:26 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Intellectuals are invariably guilty of this sin, to our own peril.
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	16:48:51 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : +1 Walter +1 +1 +1 on all the comments you are making!		16:48:51 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : +1 Walter +1 +1 +1 on all the comments you are making!

	16:49:00 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Can each person on this call create a page in OtherNetworks.org for their own bio and any organization they work with or even just like… here is a link to an entry form: ~~<nowiki>~~https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CK9CGKZ~~</nowiki>~~		16:49:00 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Can each person on this call create a page in OtherNetworks.org for their own bio and any organization they work with or even just like… here is a link to an entry form: ::https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CK9CGKZ::

	16:49:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Thanks Stanley!		16:49:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Thanks Stanley!
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	16:53:22 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : +1 Judith - This was a terrific conversation as we explore what could be. If it was easy, it would have been done before. Thanks, Lauren!!!		16:53:22 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : +1 Judith - This was a terrific conversation as we explore what could be. If it was easy, it would have been done before. Thanks, Lauren!!!

	16:54:59 From Lauren Nignon to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Here you go, Stanley: ~~<nowiki>~~https://airtable.com/shrKUFJjDhvDietVS~~</nowiki>~~		16:54:59 From Lauren Nignon to Stanley Pokras(Direct Message) : Here you go, Stanley: ::https://airtable.com/shrKUFJjDhvDietVS::

	16:56:06 From charles blass to Everyone : Did somebody say FLOW		16:56:06 From charles blass to Everyone : Did somebody say FLOW
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	16:57:55 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book		16:57:55 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book

	16:58:26 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: ~~<nowiki>~~https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/~~</nowiki>~~		16:58:26 From Stanley Pokras to Lauren Nignon(Direct Message) : The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: ::https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/::

	16:59:04 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: ~~<nowiki>~~https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/~~</nowiki>~~		16:59:04 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Open space Technology is one of the 30 “liberating Structures” in the book The Surprising power of Liberating Strutures” here’s the direct link: ::https://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/::

	16:59:43 From Judith Benham to Everyone : Is the video available on youtube or somewhere?		16:59:43 From Judith Benham to Everyone : Is the video available on youtube or somewhere?
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	17:01:42 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : Sorry. I have to run to a meeting. Thank you all for the stimulating learning and discussion. See you next week.		17:01:42 From Trisha Callella to Everyone : Sorry. I have to run to a meeting. Thank you all for the stimulating learning and discussion. See you next week.

	17:02:18 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : ~~<nowiki>~~https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/~~</nowiki>~~		17:02:18 From Liberatemankind to Everyone : ::https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/::

	17:03:04 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : “Earnest” was on my 9-item list for finding a husband		17:03:04 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : “Earnest” was on my 9-item list for finding a husband
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	In online communities more categories have been defined, channel mods, griefers, lurkers...		In online communities more categories have been defined, channel mods, griefers, lurkers...

	17:10:15 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Here’s a link to my work on the Liberating Structures with links to the book. ~~<nowiki>~~https://wikidelphia.org/Liberating_Structures_List_Alpha~~</nowiki>~~		17:10:15 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : Here’s a link to my work on the Liberating Structures with links to the book. ::https://wikidelphia.org/Liberating_Structures_List_Alpha::

	17:13:02 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : My computer decided to restart itself so I dropped out unexpectedly…		17:13:02 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : My computer decided to restart itself so I dropped out unexpectedly…
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	17:13:03 From Alan to Everyone : most important never become THIS		17:13:03 From Alan to Everyone : most important never become THIS

	~~<nowiki>~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDnA0in1t0~~</nowiki>~~		::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDnA0in1t0::

	17:13:50 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Would be curious to learn, from professional educators, how they perceive types and groupings.		17:13:50 From Walter Karshat to Everyone : Would be curious to learn, from professional educators, how they perceive types and groupings.
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	17:22:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Movie recco: Crip Camp - streaming in the USA on Netflix, this documentary details a camp in the Catskills where disabled youth were treated like ordinary kids. Many of them went on to become leaders in the disabled rights movement. I came away with a much deeper appreciation for the humanity of people that are often shunned in society		17:22:26 From Ken Homer - San Rafael, CA to Everyone : Movie recco: Crip Camp - streaming in the USA on Netflix, this documentary details a camp in the Catskills where disabled youth were treated like ordinary kids. Many of them went on to become leaders in the disabled rights movement. I came away with a much deeper appreciation for the humanity of people that are often shunned in society

	17:23:13 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ~~<nowiki>~~https://airtable.com/shrBwGicgKBQtajrU~~</nowiki>~~ Appreciation and hot seat form!		17:23:13 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : ::https://airtable.com/shrBwGicgKBQtajrU:: Appreciation and hot seat form!

	17:24:10 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : Here’s the form for BraveSpace outreach: ~~<nowiki>~~https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JN5DCdUraAQcbKVehGyLqEywpETLDAkXcNRpuNjDWxU/edit~~</nowiki>~~		17:24:10 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : Here’s the form for BraveSpace outreach: ::https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JN5DCdUraAQcbKVehGyLqEywpETLDAkXcNRpuNjDWxU/edit::

	17:26:47 From charles blass to Everyone : Hippocratic Oath, ~~<nowiki>~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath~~</nowiki>~~		17:26:47 From charles blass to Everyone : Hippocratic Oath, ::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath::

	17:27:28 From Tatiana V to Everyone : I have to hop off, great conversation, everyone! Till next week!		17:27:28 From Tatiana V to Everyone : I have to hop off, great conversation, everyone! Till next week!
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	17:41:42 From charles blass to Everyone : ^ LOL		17:41:42 From charles blass to Everyone : ^ LOL

	~~<nowiki>~~17:42:14 From charles blass to Everyone : "If you are interested in participating, sign up using this form [link to Google survey form], which goes directly to the research team. "~~</nowiki>~~		::17:42:14 From charles blass to Everyone : "If you are interested in participating, sign up using this form [link to Google survey form], which goes directly to the research team. "::

	let's already get to the languaging, a bit together if we might		let's already get to the languaging, a bit together if we might

	17:43:11 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I’ve another meeting, I’ll be leaving here in a few minutes people can reach me as stan@othernetworks.org or 267-968-0407		17:43:11 From Stanley Pokras to Everyone : I’ve another meeting, I’ll be leaving here in a few minutes people can reach me as stan@othernetworks.org or 267-968-0407
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