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* Date: Thursday November 19, 2020 (2020-11-19) 
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From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
Good Morning to all From: Seattle.   So lovely to be.

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (11:02  )
Happy Thursday Everyone!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
Good morning Sabinije, and All… please remember to change To to include all attendees so we see what you say!  Bless you, and love From: Kamloops BC Canada

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
Good Morning at yet another sunny day in the woods of North Carolina…have a wonderful day.

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
@Sabinije, It has been the most amazing journey.

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:03  )
Good morning Sabinije. and Everyone From: Ashland Oregon

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04  )
and my hero!

From: Celine vidal to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04  )
Good afternoon From: Cambridge UK everyone :)

From: Me to Panelists: (11:04  )
Day 142

From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:04  )
What a journey we have had!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:05  )
Day 142

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06  )
@Sabinije beautifully opened <3

From: Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06  )
very excited to be present for this today

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:06  )
align  ourselves in Beauty…

From: Jon Harvey to Panelists and Attendees: (11:07  )
I recall chatting with Daniel Ellsberg when he visited Univ of Penn back in 1974, 46 years ago. What an amazing "blast From: the past"

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08  )
HeartFelt. @Sabininje

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:08  )
Good morning From: White Rock BC...So blessed to be here

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:09  )
Welcome Cynthia and Daniel.

From: Marcia Raff to Panelists and Attendees: (11:09  )
Nice to see you Cynthia!

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:09  )
We are all so grateful for all of us!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:10  )
yes, Jen, yes!

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:10  )
Such a spirit of grace and illumination -- thank you!

From: Sabinije von Gaffke to Panelists and Attendees: (11:10  )
Welcome beautiful souls to episode 142 of Humanity Rising! Thank you for being here, Sabinije
Jim sends his love to - he has an important business meeting for Ubiquity and therefore I opened today.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:11  )
Deep Gratitude 🙏 Daniel

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:11  )
Deep Gratitude, Sabinije & Daniel & Cynthia

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:12  )
thank you Sabinije!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:12  )
.              ..oOo.. ========================== Dear Chat PEOPLE and  panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes.  You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541  .               ..oOo.. ========================== .          We have an email list for ChatPeople  where we  send a daily message to the list that points to all of the HR recordings and Chats since mid July.   We also have an interactive list called ChatAction for people to discuss their interests.  Write to me to be added to one or both of the lists. -- stan@communitymagic.org ==========================

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:13  )
with you, Daniel, I am honoured to conspire and inspire….!!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:14  )
Human decision-makers often of incredibly shallow moral character

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:14  )
Great Gratitude and Appreciation to you, Daniel

From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (11:14  )
As a 60's college war protestor I am watching this  in awe and gratitude to Dan's courage for holding truth to power

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:15  )
thank you Kip, for  being  all you have been, and are.

From: Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17  )
Could he speak to his experience in Moscow with Snowden, Arunhati Roy & John Cusack. Documented in book Things That Can & Can Not Be Said  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29363309-things-that-can-and-cannot-be-said.  🙏🏻

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
Outrageous how much of the earth’s wealth, highest intelligence, and long-term pollution have been invested in this inherent evil.  How could this not have harming consequences to our human consciousness.

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
What were they THINKING!!!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
they WEREN’T

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22  )
or only

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24  )
How could we be so ignorant?. The poor men and women who have suffered with this. Such pain locked in our psyche.

From: Avon Mattison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24  )
A deep bow of Gratitude to you, Daniel🙏. Gratitude for your steadfast dedication to revealing the Truth, active interventions in US destructive policies, educating & awakening decade after decade. This is needed at this crucial moment now, more than ever!

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:24  )
I am aghast

From: Marcia Raff to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25  )
This man saved our world!  Saved our lives!

From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
He is describing the ultimate climate crisis

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
and it is not illegal … criminal…

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
They still are planning to annihilate the earth.  At this year’s simulation among the decision-makers, they did choose to use the nukes “preemptively”  — in simulation.   And then they went about their daily lives.

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26  )
Obviously NOT thinking of Humanity and Earth!

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
what you are sharing Daniel is mind boggling. You are my new hero

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
I hear the cock crowing…

From: Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
IS IT TIME FOR A DEPARTMENT OF PEACE? WHAT WOULD IT INCLUDE? The ChatAction Clan is preparing a series on this… Let’s get together and manifest it. Connect with me if you’re interested in collaborating. SuccessSystemsInternational@gmail.com

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27  )
Thank you Daniel.  It has taken me to my knees.

From: Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
@kurt I am working on a process toward a Peace Room or Office

From: Jon Harvey to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28  )
Lyrics to Bob Dylan's "Masters of War"
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters-war-mono/

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31  )
Barbara Marx Hubbard’s “Office of the Future” has Peace inserted into Dept of Defense

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31  )
I remember hearing that

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
I am a Nicherin Buddhist, member of the SGI. I believe continued and compassionate dialogue as conducted by my mentor, Daisaku Ikeda, is a major path towards dismantling these doomsday machines. in your view, what is the role of intergovernmental dialogue in hastening the turn of the tides towards peace?

From: Avon Mattison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
Could you both address how to have more nuclear nations,  including the US, sign TPNW?

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:32  )
Thank God for the bravery and courage of the Lion Hearted leaders such as Daniel and Elie Wiesel that continue to educate and shine the light on Transparency and Truth.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:33  )
We DO need to use the States industrial military build up for PEACE!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
Nobody wins a nuclear war.  Humanity needs to rise to eliminate these weapons and that is happening among non-nuclear nations.  We in the “nuclear terrorizing” nations need to get on board.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
how bloody awful that we even have to think about this.

From: Marcia Raff to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34  )
Jane, Elie Wiesel is helping us even though he’s in his next life.

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (11:35  )
Yes Marcia and thankfully his message continues in our schools in Canada.

From: Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36  )
@Kurt.  I like the idea of a Department of Peace.  If we think of nations like a “body with various systems”, in the U.S. we currently have a Department of Defense (metaphorically & presumably or supposedly our collective immune system).  A Department of Peace could be presumably a collective health-promoting system.

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36  )
IMHO the reluctance to think about this evil is why we have allowed it.  The cost alone should cause us to stop it.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:36  )
yes, I hope  so, Amy

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37  )
We are a soul sick society. The trauma that we are holding is paralyzing.

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38  )
The US is committed to spending at least $10 M an HOUR for the next 30 years — all in deficit spending, of course — and instead of providing for COVID testing.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38  )
@Sharon, so agree with you

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:38  )
We, as Peacekeepers, must have more WOMEN in Diplomatic positions to communicate the nurturing Motherly emotional brains on maintaining Peace on the Planet 🌎

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40  )
I’m sorry for the burden you’ve carried, Daniel.  Thank you, bless you… may all your best dreams come true!

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40  )
“DREAM TANKS”! Let’s Dream in the 1000 years of PEACE in sacred text!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
@doreen  I know understand the weight that I have been carrying From: the 60's when my brother was AF intelligence vietnam.

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
@Dehanna, I am with you Sister

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:41  )
We have to change the widespread fiction that lethal violence “saves” us.  Apparent in policing as well as international relations.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
☝️💥☮️❣️

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
department of peace ✌️ let's make it happen!!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
yesyesyesyesyes

From: Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:42  )
2:44:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ldQp9o_QRY
#43 - Daniel Ellsberg on the institutional insanity that ...Oct 9, 2018

59:50  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cJG9j0NdY
The Doomsday Machine | Daniel Ellsberg | Talks at Google Feb 1, 2018

https://slate.com/culture/2017/12/the-doomsday-machine-daniel-ellsbergs-sobering-new-memoir-about-life-as-a-nuclear-war-planner.html
Dec 4, 2017 — Dr. Strangelove “was a documentary,” writes the man behind the Pentagon Papers.

https://www.wired.com/2018/03/geeks-guide-doctor-strangelove/
The movie is fiction, but according to Daniel Ellsberg the scenarios involved aren't far From: reality.

https://beyondnuclearinternational.org/2018/09/24/wheres-our-dr-strangelove/
Sep 24, 2018 — Daniel Ellsberg, author of The Doomsday Machine, has warned we are unlikely to survive another 100 years if we don't completely eliminate ...
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/11/daniel-ellsberg-on-the-doomsday-machine.html
Nov 28, 2017 — Known for leaking the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsburg also took many ... Herman Kahn, one of Stanley Kubrick's models for Dr. Strangelove.

From: Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43  )
leaders must follow us. we must take this challenge as a responsibility very seriously

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43  )
@Leo, thank you!

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43  )
Department of Peace -- yes, let's unfold that together....

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:43  )
@Stan   - I suggest we do a modified (30min) after chat today to give everyone a breath before the Press Conference ?

From: Avon Mattison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44  )
http://peacealliance.org.  See re: the Department of Peacebuilding ~ proposed legislation

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45  )
We are all hostages to the unsane worship of the god of wealth and property.  Its worshipers, being wedded to Capitalism, are willing for there to be an unlimited number of casuaties in order to survive:  100s of millions via nuclear war, millions via starvation, millions via pandemic, millions (billions?) via climate change, etc. Consider the words of the Lieutenant Governor of Texas: “There are things more important than being alive.” … David Stoney

From: Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45  )
President Carter contemplated a Cabinet Member for Peaceful Conflict Resolution.  This initiated the Peace Program at San Diego University.  Could be a helpful resource . . .

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
thank you  Crystal, come to  the  After Chat!

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
@David. the purpose of humanity is to love and protect this planet and all sentient and insentient beings.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46  )
Yep, we have allot of dangerous Sheep Mentality...must communicate TRUTH OVER & OVER AGAIN!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47  )
@Lesley - It's a good idea, but if Daniel Ellsberg shows up, I'm not going to tell him we have something else to do.  What we ought to do is to leave off the notice of the AfterChat that I usually post today.

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47  )
We have no right to risk the world.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48  )
beg to differ,  Stan &  Lesley… the  venue is  desired and if you need to go, so  be it.

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48  )
Stanley surely 30 minutes is better than nothing if everyone understands

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48  )
focus!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48  )
Insane to think American exceptionalism makes us good deciders of whether to destroy the world or not.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
it can be a celebration!!

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:49  )
absolutely illogical to think that if we strike we make the world safer

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
collaboration!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
now is the time!

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
@Stan @ Shannon - let’s be in the moment of what unfolds - Stan you can always ask someone else to close the recording when the dialogue concludes. I simply wanted to put options into the space :)

From: Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
Linda, you are so right.

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
Time for global partnerism!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:50  )
I hope that the releasing of energy that I am experiencing at this moment, is a healing.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
@Shannon & Lesley, I'll be at the after chat for an hour.

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
Similar to the omnicide that we are conducting related to burning fuels.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:51  )
thank  you  Stan

From: Kip Adams to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52  )
I want  to know what Dan does to sleep at night

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:52  )
Let’s not forget that the production and disposal of nukes leave toxic substances for 10,000 years and more.  Even without being “used.”

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53  )
let's create a profitable business that safely dismantles nukes! entrepreneurship!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53  )
And as Eisenhauer and others note that spending on nukes is robbing From: the poor, not addressing human needs in the quest for power.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53  )
A species identity... Yet it certainly is possible.

From: Mary Olson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54  )
... when the power of love exceeds the love of power...

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54  )
IMHO, many of the denialists in power actually expect mass death events, and expect to profit From: them.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54  )
love that analogy

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:54  )
His motive is to stay out of jail! He’s a criminal!

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
I am glad that we have accepted driving on the right

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
The fact that Trump got sick HIMSELF and STILL touted his disbelief is beyond me

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55  )
We  are One - a  species identity is to realize we are … what We are…

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
let's look on the bright side of life. we are able to do anything so we will!

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
Thank you Daniel.  It is not impossible.  Concern for mankind.

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56  )
We need to make collaboration possible... by learning to be more helpful to each other. One on one... people serving those they know with connections to other people.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57  )
We need the smartest people possible to curtail nuclear negotiations! Humans have been playing w/ fire too long!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58  )
Joke:  We’ve counted on angels intervening to save us but there’s currently a problem.  As the bumper sticker says:  Every time a Christian defends Trump, an angel loses its lunch.  The angels may be indisposed!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58  )
Daniel is right, government won't be the way that collaboration becomes fashionable.

From: Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58  )
What an articulate prophet at age 89! Thank you Daniel E. for linking nuclear and climate catastrophe and spurring our responsibilities.

MORE LINKS:

https://www.ellsberg.net/
Daniel Ellsberg's Website
“Keeping secrets was my career,” Daniel Ellsberg says. “I didn't lose the aptitude for that when I put out the Pentagon Papers.” This might come as a shock, ...

https://twitter.com/danielellsberg?lang=en
@DanielEllsberg. Author of "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" and "Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/19/579101965/daniel-ellsberg-explains-why-he-leaked-the-pentagon-papers
Jan 19, 2018 — DAVIES: Daniel Ellsberg, has a new book about his days before the Vietnam War when he worked on American nuclear war strategies in ...

From: Leo Jacoby to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58  )
https://www.biography.com/activist/daniel-ellsberg
Sep 30, 2019 — Who Is Daniel Ellsberg? Military strategist Daniel Ellsberg helped strengthen public opposition to the Vietnam War in 1971 by leaking secret ...Birth Date: April 7, 1931 (age 89) Place of birth: Chicago; education: Cranbrook School, Harvard Univ.

From: Jane Norton to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59  )
Trump's destructive behavior is the result of childhood trauma and his followers most likely had traumatizing childhoods - they magnetize to one another. This has been spoken about by many psychiatrists, therapists and spiritual teachers.

From: Liliane Mavridara to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

@Jane, and it creates enough trauma for everyone so that we cannot connect to the value of "concern".

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Yes, Daniel, we need a “species identity” and one approach to that is what I’ll be talking about in the Press Conference this afternoon between 5-6PM EST.  We’re all survivors of a tough evolutionary birthing process and must join together to save what we can of civilization.  David Stoney

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

Blessings to you Daniel.  Thank you for being here today. You have brought a piece of the life puzzle to me.  .

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

You are AMAZING Daniel! We need to clone you in the thousands!☮️

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

no  one human is “enough” to = a God

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

Together we ARE

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

yes -- help develop global identity
very important

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:02 PM)

To achieve species identity we must recognize our common species birth…. David Stoney

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

and also recognize our cocreative interdependence - we are different, we are one -- both

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

Not as clear as other problems, but the defense of property at the expense of protecting lives has a huge effect on people.

From: John Hanley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

Check out the U.S Institute for Peace devoted to the nonviolent prevention and mitigation of deadly conflict.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

DEPARTMENT OF PEACE

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

The Rooster is awakening US! Ha!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

aha!!

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

good point, stan -- the indigenous don't understand that attitude....

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

Check out Warheads to Windmills http://www.nuclearban.us/warheads-to-windmills-webinar/

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Linda, yes, but too bad so many are in a state of fear that makes them focus on survival and control. … David Stoney

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

@david stoney. your email or website please

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

and just to mention -- this morning i have added some features to the "personal profile" on http://origin.org --
some checkboxes on spiritual interests, plus "my skills" and "my motivation" -- right at the core of "action people" participation

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

thank you  Bruce!

From: Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

And how can we be in relationship when basis of relationship is based in threat?

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

Personal shame makes it easier to seek to destroy others as ‘you’ feel you’ve been destroyed…

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

This might be a better link to Warheads to Windmills book, the author Timmon Wallis has done numerous webinars — excellent http://www.nuclearban.us/w2w/

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

Promoting fear is part of the business plan for weapon makers.

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

@Linda - ssstoney39@gmail.com also www.lowcophoto.com … David Stoney

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

stan - true and scary

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

Scilla Elsworthy wrote Business Plan for Peace

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

@Stan, yes, fear is the key…. David Stoney

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

let's change the narrative From: warmongering to peacemaking!!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

Sorry to point out that Russians are seen as white people, ie Caucussus Mt.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

He’s one crazy loose cannon @ the end!

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

Caucasian solidarity could be Trump’s reason for Russian/Norwegian frienship

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

How can peacemaking create jobs??? Military spending is good for local economies and thus supported by lawmakers.

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Amy - yes…

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

Stan, Scilla Elsworthy wrote Business Plan for Peace

From: tom osher to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

voting for criminals for president, psychopaths, is not accceptable. need to restructure gov't. From: vertical to horizontal, which is virtually incorruptible. link to animation above.
gov'ts. cannot be tolerated any longer, our species is at stake!

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

@Linda, to succeed at peacemaking will require somehow ameliorating the fear that dominates the consciousness of so many people…. David Stoney

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

We need to reform so much of our Defense budgets

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

Bereft.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

we are smart enough to redirect towards building our infrastructure, education and health with "defense" dollars

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

the butterfly /phoenix /dragon  that We are is in the restructuring process that must happen.

From: tom osher to Panelists and Attendees: (12:13 PM)

to work together, we are cocreating a network of network of like minded individuals, organizations, and networks, which will be soft launching nov.30. the more who join for free now, the quicker we can grow this to huge numbers. utopiacornucopia.org, crowdpol.org

From: Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Is there a succinct letter that we could send to our "representatives about this?

From: tom osher to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

lets not take the elected officials seriously, lets take restructuring gov't seroiusly.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Tom, come to  the After-Chat; let us hear

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

let's work with and around the systems

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

Can you believe this wonderful man was #1 on the FBI’s most wanted list?  thanks to J Edgar Hoover et al.

From: C T to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

succinct letter:  Dear Rep/Senator:  Divert funds From: the military budget and put them toward a new department called the Dept. of Peace and Building a Peaceful Economy and Infrastructure.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

beautiful and succinct.

From: Kurt Krueger to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

Stan, Asoka of India, had his armies switch From: WAR to creating schools, hospitals, roads, etc….

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

yes Ashoka! @kurt

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

The great Ashoka -- his wheel/chakra is on the flag of India

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

Yup, Kurt... we need to do that, too.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

I will sign that letter

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

me too

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:17 PM)

@Kurt,  Dear Rep/Senator: The US needs to join the international treaty to eliminate nuclear weapons.  Then we and other nuclear nations can use those funds to fight Covid and climate change. It is a moral imperative!
https://www.icanw.org is the global org working to promote the ban.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:19 PM)

courage

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

“Moral courage is contagious”  a better viral infection!

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Thank you, Amy, I took a photo with my phone of your proposed letter.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

<3

From: Avon Mattison to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

re: letters to sign & legislation to support in US: http://peacealliance.org.  See re: the Department of Peacebuilding ~ proposed legislation.

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

We can all pay our taxes but to the Dept of Peace.  This way we have paid our taxes but we divert them to the dept we want

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

I was inspired by  Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

me too Stan

From: Natalie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Oops

From: Natalie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

The “Smartest” people often think they have alll of the answers. We need the most courageous people and a splash of radical imagination to dismantle the infrastructures, corportocracy, and systems that continue to  perpetuate harm and hoard resources. #PeoplePower
“For the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change.” Audre Lorde

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:21 PM)

Noam Chomsky "it is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and to expose lies"

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Yes Courageous activism for the Good of ALL.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

I believe and use that quote of Audrey Lorde" the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house"

From: Mary Olson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

Let's make peace and getting rid of nuclear weapons sexy (in a positive inclusive way)--that was part of the wave of change we saw 60 years ago... Summer of Love...

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

love ❤️

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

trying to face all of this at once - is the motivation behind http://origin.org

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

But how to stop the Taliban From: taking over if troops are taken out of Afghanistan. Women will be back to the Stone Ages, forced to wear the burka, not to work or let girls go to schools, horrible prospect. What's the alternative for this country?

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

@Cynthia  you are inspiring!  Thank you for this powerful thoughtful conversation with Daniel.

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

massive simultaneous interdependent spirit-guided holistic activism

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:24 PM)

Yes Bruce!

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:24 PM)

@Natalie...Touché yes, the people w/ courage & survival intelligence 💓

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:24 PM)

jobs mean lifestyle

From: Harriett Crosby to Panelists and Attendees: (12:24 PM)

We should also call attention to Reality Winner who is still in jail for whistleblowing.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:25 PM)

I agree

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:26 PM)

technocrats

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:26 PM)

Tom, can you repost the link to the animation you mentioned regarding horizontal structure of goon’t?

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:26 PM)

@Bruce YES!

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (12:26 PM)

Biden won because he was in the middle and

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:27 PM)

govn’t

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:27 PM)

technocratic solutions are void of spiritual

From: Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (12:27 PM)

Republicans are going beyond ‘party loyalty’ to loyalty to….? I think this is a window - if we spend it - What is the Republican Party being loyal to?????

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:27 PM)

bless you,  Daniel. We are blessed through you.

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

bravo! what an honor Mr Ellsworth!!

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

we are slowly learning how to conceive a new holistic activism.  chatpeople/actionpeople is a brilliant resource for that work

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

We have “done it” before, in getting controls on nukes due to popular pressure!

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Cynthia, your interviewing was superior and Daniel, thank you enormously for all of your insights and courage and work.

From: Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

absolutely brilliant Daniel

From: Diane Sue to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

@Cynthia and @Daniel, I want to express immense gratitude to both of you for educating us so we can work beside you to hold the vision of a transformed future and do what is within our power to make it happen.

From: Bruce Schuman to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

yes, than you Daniel Ellsberg - and for your link to "conscious evolution"

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Yes, some in Govt should be jailed, NOT the Whistleblowers! They are the courageous ones!

From: Crystal Steinberg to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Much Gratitude to all . . .

From: Natalie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

❤️❤️❤️

From: Kat Haber to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Thank you kindly!

From: Doreen Tanenbaum to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Wonderful program than you Daniel, Cynthia and Sabinije

From: Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Very timely up the evolutionary spiral

From: Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Thank you Daniel and everyone here <3

From: keith brocklehurst to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Thank you for your profound inspiration

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:28 PM)

Daniel, From: the bottom of my heart thank you. Be well

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

Thank you! So grateful for you Daniel!💓

From: C T to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

THANK YOU FOR COURAGE AND YOUR ELOQUENCE, Mr. Ellsberg!

From: Cynthia Lazaroff to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

It is such an honor to be here!  Thank you so much to all of you for all your caring and hope and inspiration!

From: Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

deep gratitude to you too Cynthia

From: Mary Olson to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

THANK YOU CYNTHIA, beautiful summations..

From: Linda Stopp to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

immense gratitude to all

From: Jane to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

It's difficult but act anyway without any attachment to the outcome....do it anyway... our survival depends on it!

From: David Stoney to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

At the Press Conference later today: 3 p.m. – 4 p.m. PST Prof. Guy McPherson and Dr. Ye Tao of Harvard present on Abrupt Climate Change and SRM as the only short-term solution… David Stoney

From: Clare Rosenfield to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

We should call upon Joanna Macy who long ago went to Chernobyl and tried to end nuclear power of all kinds.

From: Marj Britt to Panelists and Attendees: (12:29 PM)

Daniel, you are a gift to the world.

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

Thank you Daniel ... deepest gratitude. A true American hero.

From: Dehanna Rice to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

Thank you beautiful Cynthia!

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

Yes, Clare!

From: Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

Yes, thank you, Cynthia

From: Sharon Truax to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

Thank you all for being way showers.  Blessings and wellbeing.

From: Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (12:30 PM)

We DO, not try.

From: Cynthia Lazaroff to Panelists and Attendees: (12:31 PM)

So much gratitude and love to you all!  You are amazing and so inspiring!

From: Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:31 PM)

..oOo.. Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting for conversation after this session closes. We encourage presenters, community people From: around the world to participate. You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541

From: AMY A BLUMENSHINE to Panelists and Attendees: (12:31 PM)

Thank you for your “Confession” book — important to acknowledge moral injury.

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